Anti Ahmadiyya
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Nov 1997 - 8th Nov 1997
Dear Mr. Mohammed, I am sorry that you have compared Ghulam Ahmed
with Agha-Khan and Elijah-Mohammed. Aghanies (Ismailies) and Black Muslims
maintain distinct communities. Qadianies call their worship houses Mosque
and perform Azan which causing simple muslims to fall in their trap and
loose their religion. They would mix among muslims and creates doubts about
their faith and then make them fall apart. They would not preach among
non-muslims as the basic mission of ghulam ahmed was to keep muslims from
jihad against the english. Agha-Khanies and Black-Muslims preach among
non-muslims and bring them a step closer towards Islam. It is the job of
the Ulema to then bring Ismailies and Black-Muslims to mainstream Islam.
Thus you appreciate that Agha-khan and Elijah-Mohammed have intentionally
or unintentionally great service to Islam. Unlike that Ghulam Ahmed was
a mere puppet of the english to carry out their political interest
Hassan <.>
., . . - Saturday, November 08, 1997 at 14:31:23 (EST)
QADIANIS! Why you people are shy to translate ROOHANI KHAZAIN in
English? Why you always distribute propaganda books but not Roohani Khazain?
Why you people always use abusive language against your oppenents. Why
you people use wrong reference to justify MIRZA KAZIB? Why you people use
the word Muslim with you while you are not Muslim? Please answer my questions
with cool temper. May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, November
08, 1997 at 09:27:43 (EST)
Mr.Ali Qadiani! I am here regarding to your comments the Teachers
of Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. Mr. Discussion for discussion is not good.
As in this most of the time people tells a lie or put the wrong interpretations
or use the abusive language against their opponents. Its very common saying
in URDU that a lie has no feets. I always like discussion when it is to
explore the truth. Now Mr. Ali tell me " do you think teachers of Mirza
KAZIB Ghulam A qadiani, viz. Mr. Fazal Illahi Sahib, Mr. Fazal Ahmed Sahib
and Molvi Gul Ali Shah Sahib were not human being?" Now your thought of
Words and their interpretations (For which you have used Urdu Wordings)
is not right. You know when some one goes to school to learn some language.
His teachers do not teach him every word and every phrase of that language.
They always teach him how to read & write that language. It is as you
go to college, your teachers teach you either textbooks only or some personnel
notes too. But every body including you will say that you got education
from that college or those teachers. So please mind your concepts of teachers.
Your 2nd point is that Mirza KAZIB used abusive words for opponents of
Hazzarat Muhammad SAW not for his own. You know I mentioned the masterpiece
of his language used for PEER MAHAR ALI SHAH SAHIB and Maulana Saadullah
Sahib, well known personalities in Islam. How will you justify these saints
and scholars as opponent of Holy Prophet SAW? Third point is the last sentence
of your cooments where you are blaming Holy Quran and Hazzarat Muhammad
SAW. That they used the abusive language too. It exposes your hypocrisy
on one hand you use the word My beloved Hazzarat Muhammad SAW and on the
other hand you are blaming him just to justify the abusive language of
MIRZA KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. May ALLAH give Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, November
08, 1997 at 09:18:15 (EST)
Ali: thank U. May Allah give Hadayyat to these opponents of Ahmadiyyat.
And may Allah give them courege to understand Huzret Masih e Moud's books.
I request all muslim brothers to read Braheene Ahmadiyya. Then tell me
How could not this person love Beloved Prophet Mohammad Peace and blessing
Of Allah be Upon Him.
Amadi Muslim <<>>
Denmark - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 23:43:52 (EST)
Rumy: it,s Ali again. How are you Sir? and how is you job?!! You
usually attack on Huzret Mirza sahib's language . And you always quote
that mirza sahib has used these words for his own enemies (Ruhani-khazian
vol.14, p53) Which is absolutely wrong.(Those words are used to attack
on those who were extrem abusing Allah, Prophet Mohammad saw & his
wives) Also you claimed that how a prophet of Allah could use this kind
of language, AND ALSO you say that a prophet of Allah NEVER curse on anyone.
Rumy, you have very lack of knoledge about your faith. But do not worry
dear, I explain you everything that you need to know: Lets come to the
point, Quran says "And noah said, My Lord, leave not of the disblievers
even one dweller in the land" (Nuah 27). Rumy, Get ready to read what my
beloved prophet Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him said
abouth enemies: Now make asure you DO understand that holly prophet Mohammad
(saw) was "THE MERCY FOR ALL PEOPLE" (quran, Al-Anbiya, 108) Bukhari shreef's
hadees says that prophet Mohammad (saw) said"O Allah must CURSE on Qurash
(prophet of God said this 3 times)Then prophet Mohammad peace be upon him
said "O Allah curse on Ub-Jehul_O Allah curse on Utba-bin-Rabiya &
Shiba-bin Rabiya" (bukhari alkitabulslat, chapter(ulqiya-ala-zahara-almusulla,vol.1
Page 38) Also this hadees is in (Kitabulslat, chapter, Yahudi, biltakbeer
page 97) Now RUMY I hope you will be ashamed of what were you saying in
all your writings, that mirza sahib "CURSED" on people. Read another one
from (Terjeed translation Vol. 1 Page 184, Published by Molvi fairzudeen,
Lahore)Huzret Ubu-Hurarra relates "whenever prophet Mohammad (saw)stood
from RAKU, with sama-Allah hae also used to say Lak-ulhumd. O Allah punish
tribe of Muzer, and let them face strong drought alike it came on people
of Yusaf" Now Rumy remember this prayer of Prophet of Alla. And also do
not forget that Prophet Mohammad was "mercy for all people" (nouzubillah
i,m not attacking, i,ll explain u at end) I do believe taht Huzret mirza
sahib has used the language, like other great prophet of Allah, WHY ??
only because some people spoke against holly prophet Mohammad (saw) who
was mirza sahib's beloved and most respectful person on the earth. Also
the person who was neither born in the history of earth nor he will born.
Now read another hadees by Huzret Anus (rz). I hope you know the background
of this hadees, when prophet of God sent some companions to some tribs
for the purpose of preaching, but they were killed except one who was handicap.
Huzret Anus relates "Then for fourty days Prophet Mohammad (saw) CURSED
on the tribe of Ra-ul, Zekwan, Bani-alhyan & Bani-Usya"(Tejreed part
2 page 46). Now read another one & then I hope this much feed will
be enough for you today, but never feel shortage dear !!Now if you have
a bit shame you will never attack on Huzret Masih-e-Moud for using abusive
language. Anyhow lets read this hadees from Bukhari(bukhari shreef Vol.
1 Page 97)"Prophet of Allah in each pray after saying Sama-allah used to
pray for muslims & CURSED on non believers". Brother Rumy: We Ahmadi
live in very terrible conditions, When ever we try to prove our statement
by giving examples from the life of Holly prophet Mohaamed (saw) Always
non-Ahmadi brother think in negative and say " See they don't believe in
prophet Mohammad (saw)" The purpose of giving you these examples is nothing
other than to tell you that the language that prophets of Allah use is
always depends on a particular time, subject, individual, individual group,
and THE Person. The language that Huzret Mirza sahib has used, HAVE you
ever try to find out WHY mirza sahib has use this kind of language for
only the particular THIS Or THAT person "ALONE". I hope you will understand
& will NOT attack on Huzret Mirza sahib. Anyway, I have lots of material
to sahre with you. Never hesitate to ask anything. MAY ALLAH BE WITH YOU.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 23:14:55 (EST)
Rumy: it,s Ali again. How are you Sir? and how is you job?!! You
usually attack on Huzret Mirza sahib's language . And you always quote
that mirza sahib has used these words for his own enemies (Ruhani-khazian
vol.14, p53) Which is absolutely wrong.(Those words are used to attack
on those who were extrem abusing Allah, Prophet Mohammad saw & his
wives) Also you claimed that how a prophet of Allah could use this kind
of language, AND ALSO you say that a prophet of Allah NEVER curse on anyone.
Rumy, you have very lack of knoledge about your faith. But do not worry
dear, I explain you everything that you need to know: Lets come to the
point, Quran says "And noah said, My Lord, leave not of the disblievers
even one dweller in the land" (Nuah 27). Rumy, Get ready to read what my
beloved prophet Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him said
abouth enemies: Now make asure you DO understand that holly prophet Mohammad
(saw) was "THE MERCY FOR ALL PEOPLE" (quran, Al-Anbiya, 108) Bukhari shreef's
hadees says that prophet Mohammad (saw) said"O Allah must CURSE on Qurash
(prophet of God said this 3 times)Then prophet Mohammad peace be upon him
said "O Allah curse on Ub-Jehul_O Allah curse on Utba-bin-Rabiya &
Shiba-bin Rabiya" (bukhari alkitabulslat, chapter(ulqiya-ala-zahara-almusulla,vol.1
Page 38) Also this hadees is in (Kitabulslat, chapter, Yahudi, biltakbeer
page 97) Now RUMY I hope you will be ashamed of what were you saying in
all your writings, that mirza sahib "CURSED" on people. Read another one
from (Terjeed translation Vol. 1 Page 184, Published by Molvi fairzudeen,
Lahore)Huzret Ubu-Hurarra relates "whenever prophet Mohammad (saw)stood
from RAKU, with sama-Allah hae also used to say Lak-ulhumd. O Allah punish
tribe of Muzer, and let them face strong drought alike it came on people
of Yusaf" Now Rumy remember this prayer of Prophet of Alla. And also do
not forget that Prophet Mohammad was "mercy for all people" (nouzubillah
i,m not attacking, i,ll explain u at end) I do believe taht Huzret mirza
sahib has used the language, like other great prophet of Allah, WHY ??
only because some people spoke against holly prophet Mohammad (saw) who
was mirza sahib's beloved and most respectful person on the earth. Also
the person who was neither born in the history of earth nor he will born.
Now read another hadees by Huzret Anus (rz). I hope you know the background
of this hadees, when prophet of God sent some companions to some tribs
for the purpose of preaching, but they were killed except one who was handicap.
Huzret Anus relates "Then for fourty days Prophet Mohammad (saw) CURSED
on the tribe of Ra-ul, Zekwan, Bani-alhyan & Bani-Usya"(Tejreed part
2 page 46). Now read another one & then I hope this much feed will
be enough for you today, but never feel shortage dear !!Now if you have
a bit shame you will never attack on Huzret Masih-e-Moud for using abusive
language. Anyhow lets read this hadees from Bukhari(bukhari shreef Vol.
1 Page 97)"Prophet of Allah in each pray after saying Sama-allah used to
pray for muslims & CURSED on non believers". Brother Rumy: We Ahmadi
live in very terrible conditions, When ever we try to prove our statement
by giving examples from the life of Holly prophet Mohaamed (saw) Always
non-Ahmadi brother think in negative and say " See they don't believe in
prophet Mohammad (saw)" The purpose of giving you these examples is nothing
other than to tell you that the language that prophets of Allah use is
always depends on a particular time, subject, individual, individual group,
and THE Person. The language that Huzret Mirza sahib has used, HAVE you
ever try to find out WHY mirza sahib has use this kind of language for
only the particular THIS Or THAT person "ALONE". I hope you will understand
& will NOT attack on Huzret Mirza sahib. Anyway, I have lots of material
to sahre with you. Never hesitate to ask anything. MAY ALLAH BE WITH YOU.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 23:09:10 (EST)
Dear Atibaba: You are right about the 'Ib-Raat-naak'death of this
false nabi and Abu-al-kazibeen (father of all liars). He died in Lahore
suffering from cholera. Then qadianis took some time to prepare forge documents
to move his corpse to Qadian. It is mid-summer in Lahore (extremely hot).
Keep in mind in 1908 in Lahore there was no ice or any other cooling facilities.
8-12 hours can start the decomposition. By the time his corpse reached
in Qadian between 48-72 hours had passed. Now any body can guess that how
decomposed could be his corpse. The story from Qadian was that all the
close diciples of the Liar were 20 feet away from his corpse including
Nuruddin (the lair's successor). I will appreciate if you put some details
for the information of our readers (Muslims and Qadianis). Allah showed
the believers the unfortunate end of imositor's with clear signs.
Fateh Sher <<>>
Toronto, CA - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 21:16:48 (EST)
Ah tail of Iblees RUMY !! sorry, Scientist Researcher Sahib, Where
are you?? Today I haven't read revolution of SATAN. Is every thin OK with
u? O I See, I gues u will be busy in comparing your blood & Pig's.Anyway,
let me know the achievements as soon as u get. But I am hopeful that the
news will be "your & Pig's blood is same" congratulation,congratulation,
congratulation. So when are U inviting me on the Party, I live close to
U. U know neighbours have more rights than anyonelse. So please do not
disappoint me. Otherwise, I am gona hit your younger son "Shahabuldeen"
on the roadway that goes to your home.Anyway, Tail of Iblees, may head
be with U !!
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 15:41:56 (EST)
O li chou!! How ignorant is this person SHREEF.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 15:27:21 (EST)
O li chou!! How ignorant is this person SHREEF.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 15:26:42 (EST)
O li chou!! How ignorant is this person SHREEF.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 15:26:04 (EST)
Assalamau Alaikum, I am delighted to be a part of your Islamic guestlist.
Wa sslamau aliakum wa Ra7matu LLAHI wa Barakatuh.
Ibnu Jawad <al_mujahid@hotmail.com>
Bilad uLLAH, USA - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 09:55:01 (EST)
Mr.AZIZ...and other thinking Qadiyani brethren.Please understand
that by presenting the same wine in the new bottle is not at all answer
genuine and powerful arguments put forth by muslims against ahmadis.You
say Mirza came to' break the cross'what does it means ?did he try to disprove
christianity?if he has done any good work on this where is his powerful
writtings?you always invite us to visit your website but nothing of Mirza's
writing about christianity is available there!When you claim something
you must have some supporting evidences.I request all ahmadis to come out
and DISPROVE RASHID'S ALLEGATIONS .Does any one has the courage?
shareef <abmohame@singnet.com.sg>
- Friday, November 07, 1997 at 05:07:18 (EST)
How ignorant you non-ahmadies are, Huzret Masih-e-moud in all his
life defended Islam and The Holly Prophet Mohammad Peace & blessing
of Allah be upon him. These people take negative points , which they even
do not understand. But non of these from So called muslims ever thought
about books that huzret mirza sahib has written. You must understand that
the first prove of the true prophet is that people will reject him. Rumy
& others are not unique in their mission, Whenever a prophet came People
like Rumy came with them.
Nasir Waraich <<>>
Kuwait, - Friday, November 07, 1997 at 00:32:04 (EST)
Rumy: So what wrong Mr. Aziz said ?? ofcourse religious discussion
is only possible if both parties are willing to use civill language, what
is wrong with this? I told you many times, you do not think before writting.
Explain me what brother Aziz has said wrong ?? Look at yourself in mirror.
Have you ever been in RABWA. The language that you speak is spoken in whole
pakistan against ahmadies. The language that you speak is not UNIQUE. It
is National language of Islamic republic of Pakistan against Ahmadies.
And as a humble citizen of that country you must speak it.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 21:14:07 (EST)
brother Rumy: Don't you have anything to say now. The language that
you have refered to Huzret Mirza sahib, I will answer of it latter. Just
one thing I like to say about you might have been experience, that whenver
someone writes wrongly about you, you get upset. Amir calls you SHIA, In
ALL your writtings, you explain & explain that you are not SHIA and
you do get mind, Don't you think others also have feelings, and when YOU
call them, about they do not claim to be. brother please think !! Wasslam
Ali
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 21:03:16 (EST)
My Dear Brother in ISLAM: Keep up the good work. To expose the true
face of these QADIANIS is really a JIHAD. Qadianis are Big LIARS. Just
like there Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. Dont they know who was Mirza Ghulam
Ahmed? He was Just a "PATWARI" a prophet made by the then British Rulers.
Dont the Qadianis know how did their 'MIRZA die? His dead body was stinking
for a number of days and no body was getting near to that body. Only some
cleaning people has to come and bag that stinking body and dispose that
body off. Dont they know that when Mirza Ghulam ahmed Qadiani died, his
SHIT came out of his mouth. I can write and write a number of details about
Mirza Ghulam ahmed Qadiani. lots of interesting stories. If some one really
wana know the truth about Ghulam ahmed Qadiani (the false nabi) the biggest
liar, read thebooks of AGHA SHORISH KASHMIRI, ATA-ULLAH SHAH BUKHARI. YOU
WILL ENJOY IT. Any how Mirza is in hell now a days and enjoying the company
of his other followers there.
AtiBaba <atibaba@hotmail.com>
NY USA - Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 19:54:23 (EST)
Dear Ahmadi Brothers: You have explained, re-explained and re-re-explained
the writings of The Promised Messiah (AS) th Rumys and Khalids. They donot
want to understand. It is their arrogance. Leave them to Allah (SWA). Had
Prophet Muhammad (SAS) continued to explain to Abu Jahal and his cronies
again and again he would have found it difficult to preach Islam to the
rest of the humanity. Please leave these Rumys and Khalids alone. Do not
engage into debate with them. If you do want to write something in this
guest book I suggest you write the web address where the Jamaat has answered
these false allegations. Do not give credence to the uniformed opinions
of these two gentlemen. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca USA - Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 09:49:31 (EST)
Dear Ahmadi Brothers: You have explained, re-explained and re-re-explained
the writings of The Promised Messiah (AS) th Rumys and Khalids. They donot
want to understand. It is their arrogance. Leave them to Allah (SWA). Had
Prophet Muhammad (SAS) continued to explain to Abu Jahal and his cronies
again and again he would have found it difficult to preach Islam to the
rest of the humanity. Please leave these Rumys and Khalids alone. Do not
engage into debate with them. If you do want to write something in this
guest book I suggest you write the web address where the Jamaat has answered
these false allegations. Do not give credence to the uniformed opinions
of these two gentlemen. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca USA - Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 09:49:30 (EST)
MODEL LANGUAGE OF MIRZA KAZIB GHULAM A QADIANI. Here is the model
of language and cool temper of Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani. Look how much
civilized and cool temper is he. For his opponent Mr. Saadulah , he writes
" Demon. Scoundrel. Profilgate, Devil, Accursed, Seed of evil person, Wicked,
Mischievous, Ill- omened, Son of a bitch." (Roohani Khazain vol, 14 p.53)
Then Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani remembers his another opponent, Hazzarat
PEER Mehar Ali Shah (A Muslim saint), in the following words: " Liar, KHABEES
(Wicked), Sting like a scorpion. O land of Golra! Curse of God be upon
you. You have become accursed because of the cursed one." (Roohani Khazain
vol.18). What a beautiful language he used against his opponents he said
" Enemies have become swines of our Jungle and their women have (become)
worse than bitches." (Roohani Khazain vol.14, p.53).
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, November
06, 1997 at 09:04:31 (EST)
Messrs Ali, Amir, Nasir, Saleh etc ! Your press secretary Mr. Abdulaziz
Qadiani says " Religious discussion is possible only if both the parties
are willing to use civil language and keep tempers under control." So please
mind your language and temper. You can use this Ahmadi language only when
you are in the streets of RABWA. Out side RABWA people like descent language.Thanks.
May ALLAH give you HADDAYET. Vh
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, November
06, 1997 at 08:37:15 (EST)
What!! what the hell he said ? I can't believe in my eyes what i
am reading, he said he is a Scientist Researcher. Ah yesterday's tail of
Iblees & Today's Scientist researcher, Ah yo, do you know how to write
word "scintist" OR u copied from the dictionary. Come on, give me a break
!!! Scientist reasearcher sahib. You SHIA, u even changed your sect, y
bloody shamless, fear to God.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, - Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 07:17:52 (EST)
Ali: Brother can you ever think a person who is SUCH a DUMM could
be Scientist researcher. YA man Could be, In Great Islamic country Like
The Pakistan. Every think is Possible there !! Ya I think Rumy researches
on the DUNKIE's DNA in Raheem Yaar Khan, and then compares to The Mullans!!
come on !!You are waisting your time.Tell him to get the hell out of this
page.
Nasir <<>>
Kuwait, - Wednesday, November 05, 1997 at 21:39:03 (EST)
Brother Ali: thank you very much atleast for the time being, this
blood Dog will keep his mouth SHUTT. And now most probably he will think
before he BARKS. We all know, This MONKEY will jump on other tree. Anyway,
thank you !!
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, - Wednesday, November 05, 1997 at 21:24:58 (EST)
Hello. Mr. Rumy: Sorry to bother you again, Actually, you speak
so ignorantly, thus i need to explain you everything. Anyway, lets come
to the point, You and Your fellow brother mr. Khalid usually ask this question,
thou, the answer is so easy that a third grade student even could understand.Anyhow,
lets teach you ABC. "Mirza sahib's study of Quran by someone and declaration
that he was not taught by any human being, also Mirza sahib said that noone
can prove that he had learned Quran, Hadess, Tafseer by someone. NOW Mr.
Rumy Follow me. Whenever you object on anything, others as myself have
smelled stink from you as Muslim Of Mecca used to smell from Jews. YOU
and the one whom you usually quote always try to hid the facts behind the
curtun, and do not write whole version of Uyamul Sulah page 147. Also Ruhani
Khazian. Lets read as whole: Huzret sahib is saying that, thus the one
whose name will be mehdi, thou it shows that he will be getting Elum Deen
(knowledge of faith) from Allah, also The Quran, Hadees will not learn
from any teacher, and also he says that noone can prove that he has been
taught by someone in Quran, Hadees, OR Tafseer. And this is muhdidiat that
has been given to him by the blessing of faith of Mohammadiyya (saw) And
the ISRARE DEEN were explaind to him ( Uyamul Sulah. p147) ( before further
I like to make a note that I did not Quote, because the original version
is in Urdu, and this translation is in my wording, which might be offensive
for many Ahmadi brothers). Now Mr. Rumy, Clearly you can read word ISRARE
DEEN. This word is also in Rohani Khazian from where you quoted, or just
simply read this quotation that I have given you. This is not what Mirza
sahib saying here, neither it is a matter of reading Nazra Quran. But what
he said is that THE_ Ma'ani__Mitalib__Haqaiak__&_ Ma'arif_ This is
what Mirza sahib is saying which fortunately those who pretend to be blind
cannot understand. Anyhow this is what Mirza sahib saying that he has not
been taught by anyhumen. Now you must understand the difference between
ALFAZ Quran & ELUM Quran. Huzret sahib saying that there is noone from
whom I have learned ELUM-E-DEEN OR ISRARE DEEN, Also he says that to read
just a simple Quran from someone is definitely not alike to learn ISRARE
DEEN which Allah taught him. Further, Mirza sahib is saying that Quran
itself makes difference between ALFAZ QURAN & ELUM QURAN, As Quran
says "He it is who has raised among the unluttered people a messenger from
among themselves who RECITES unto them his signs, and purifies them, and
TEACHES them the book and Wisdom though before that they were in manifest
error:(Al-Jumu'ah 3) Now Mr. Rumy: we see word here RECITE UNTO THEM, which
explains ALFAZ QURAN. And Word TEACHES THEM , which explains the_ Meaning__Mut'alib__Mu'ani__Haqaiak__&_Mu'arif:
Now I hope you understand that only to READ Quran IS NOT ALIKE to get ELUM
of Quran. In other words: It does not mean that to read Quran from someone
is to understand the meaning of Quran from same person. Rumy: go back to
Rohani Khazian and read those words carefully and atleast try to understan
what have said.And if you still DO NOT understand please do not hesitate
to write me back, I have lots of material to share with you on this topic
alone. At the end: You quoted brother Aziz saying that Mirza sahib has
used very abusive language for the enemies and you quoted a word "bitches"
I like to ask you that hold a Book of Quran in your hand and say that you
have read whole subject & understood??? Brother Rumy: Those word are
used for the uponents of my beloved Prophet Mohammad Peace & blessing
of Allah be upon him, NOT for his own enemies. If you want to have debate
with me on this issue, come forward, Then I will Quote from the Quran,
And Bibble that What kind of language has been used for the Jews from the
mouth of Prophets. and also for others.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 05, 1997 at 21:12:59 (EST)
Mr. Rumy:I never thought you will be this much ignorant. I told
you earlier, you do not think before writing. The thing is that I have
absolutely proved you that it was WISH (Arada) of Huzret Mirza sahib to
write 50 vols of Braheen e Ahmadiyya. Rumy: I am surprise that you could
be so stupid !! I do not have Tebligh-e-Resalat with me but I did look
into Ruhani Khazian vol.22 p407. I want you to look at it again. Huzret
Mirza sahib even has not talk about writing of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya in near
many pages from 407.Mirza sahib Has mentioned the name of Braheen Ahmadiyya,
but it has no relations with writing of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya into 50 vols
at all. So please quote after reading it yourself, do not try to copy from
you sick mullans. I was so surprise that why would you challange me on
this topic, while I have given you so authentic prove from the history
of Islam. Rumy, The Question is when allah told my beloved Prophrt Mohammad
(peace & blessing be upon him) that he will go to Hujj, why he did
not ????? or Could not perform hujj against the revolution ????. Now tell
me another answer, When Allah told Prophet Yunus that This village will
distroyed, Why the village of Nanva was not distroyed if it was true Alham
to prophet Yunus. Please do not think that I do not know the answer of
these question, I know the answers even better than your great mullans.
I am just trying to prove my point. Rumy, Even if I believe that Allah
told Mirza sahib That he will write 50 vols. of Braheen-e Ahmadiyya, EVEN
then my Question still stands on its place. That if the Alham Of Prophet
Mohammad (saw) zouzubillah can be falls, And the Alham of Huzret Yunus
Nouzubillah can be wrong, then so what? if Mirza sahib's Alham wasn't true
(nouzubillah). Rumy, Do not debate without point. The thing is you were
stuck here when I gave you the examples from the Islamic And Quranic History,
then like a monkey you jumped on other topic, where according to you controversially
of Mirza sahib's statement regarding teachers. BUT you do not even worry
my dear, Ill answer you: Just for your information thou I am not a researcher,
sorry (scientist researcher in Raheem Yaar Khan !!) like you, I am 22 years
a poor college student, who work while attends college meantime. There
are Many people who are real scholars and they all could explain better
than me, but Actually they all follow mr. Amir's statement " The Tail of
Dog can be straight but people like you can not understand" because you
do people do not want to understand. I will answer your other allegations
on other writing, because to write long breakes intersts of reader. Anyhow
lets look into a Bukhar's Hadees "faqala hiya khumsun wa hiya khumsoon"(bukhari,
kitabul slat, first hadees vol.1, p50 misri) At the night of Mira'ge my
beloved prophet Mohammad (saw) went to prophet Moses last time for discussion
to make reduce the number of prayers to Allah, Allah said :take them,these
five are fifty". Also this hadees is written in (Mashkat-ul-kitab)"Qala
hazehi khumsun salawatin lai-kulle wahedin ushrun fahazehi khumsoona salawtin"
that Allah said "these are five prayers each one is equal to Ten". So tell
me Rumy, you should know better, you are researcher,(sorry,brother, scientist
researcher (in)!! Rahemm Yaar Khan) Now I hope you would understand the
hadees of Bukhari atleast!! Anyway because you people are so ignorant,
so i tell you, be carefull !(10 * 5 = 50) Another thing that you were forgot
to writ was Informer's, AND your name in the Qadiani's list.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 05, 1997 at 19:08:46 (EST)
Mr. Rumy:I never thought you will be this much ignorant. I told
you earlier, you do not think before writing. The thing is that I have
absolutely proved you that it was WISH (Arada) of Huzret Mirza sahib to
write 50 vols of Braheen e Ahmadiyya. Rumy: I am surprise that you could
be so stupid !! I do not have Tebligh-e-Resalat with me but I did look
into Ruhani Khazian vol.22 p407. I want you to look at it again. Huzret
Mirza sahib even has not talk about writing of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya in near
many pages from 407.Mirza sahib Has mentioned the name of Braheen Ahmadiyya,
but it has no relations with writing of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya into 50 vols
at all. So please quote after reading it yourself, do not try to copy from
you sick mullans. I was so surprise that why would you challange me on
this topic, while I have given you so authentic prove from the history
of Islam. Rumy, The Question is when allah told my beloved Prophrt Mohammad
(peace & blessing be upon him) that he will go to Hujj, why he did
not ????? or Could not perform hujj against the revolution ????. Now tell
me another answer, When Allah told Prophet Yunus that This village will
distroyed, Why the village of Nanva was not distroyed if it was true Alham
to prophet Yunus. Please do not think that I do not know the answer of
these question, I know the answers even better than your great mullans.
I am just trying to prove my point. Rumy, Even if I believe that Allah
told Mirza sahib That he will write 50 vols. of Braheen-e Ahmadiyya, EVEN
then my Question still stands on its place. That if the Alham Of Prophet
Mohammad (saw) zouzubillah can be falls, And the Alham of Huzret Yunus
Nouzubillah can be wrong, then so what? if Mirza sahib's Alham wasn't true
(nouzubillah). Rumy, Do not debate without point. The thing is you were
stuck here when I gave you the examples from the Islamic And Quranic History,
then like a monkey you jumped on other topic, where according to you controversially
of Mirza sahib's statement regarding teachers. BUT you do not even worry
my dear, Ill answer you: Just for your information thou I am not a researcher,
sorry (scientist researcher in Raheem Yaar Khan !!) like you, I am 22 years
a poor college student, who work while attends college meantime. There
are Many people who are real scholars and they all could explain better
than me, but Actually they all follow mr. Amir's statement " The Tail of
Dog can be straight but people like you can not understand" because you
do people do not want to understand. I will answer your other allegations
on other writing, because to write long breakes intersts of reader. Anyhow
lets look into a Bukhar's Hadees "faqala hiya khumsun wa hiya khumsoon"(bukhari,
kitabul slat, first hadees vol.1, p50 misri) At the night of Mira'ge my
beloved prophet Mohammad (saw) went to prophet Moses last time for discussion
to make reduce the number of prayers to Allah, Allah said :take them,these
five are fifty". Also this hadees is written in (Mashkat-ul-kitab)"Qala
hazehi khumsun salawatin lai-kulle wahedin ushrun fahazehi khumsoona salawtin"
that Allah said "these are five prayers each one is equal to Ten". So tell
me Rumy, you should know better, you are researcher,(sorry,brother, scientist
researcher (in)!! Rahemm Yaar Khan) Now I hope you would understand the
hadees of Bukhari atleast!! Anyway because you people are so ignorant,
so i tell you, be carefull !(10 * 5 = 50) Another thing that you were forgot
to writ was Informer's, AND your name in the Qadiani's list.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 05, 1997 at 19:08:12 (EST)
Mr. Ali Qadiani! Please read the page 8 to 24 of Tabligh-e-risalat
vol.1 by Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. Then read page 407 of Roohani Khazain
vol 22. I hope you will find the answer of your question that " Was it
Promise or wish of Mirza KAZIB to write 50 volumes of Braheen-e-Ahmadyyea.?"
And please quote the exact reference of source of information whenever
you quote some thing from history. You know I am basically a scientist
researcher. My field of research is entirely different to religious matters.
I spend more than 10 hours a day to my research work. Therefore to consult
the religious matters I had a little time. It will be easy for all of us
if you quote proper reference. I hope you will not feel it. Thank you.
Now come to the actual point. That a liar can't be a true prophet of God.
Great it is a universal truth and you have accepted it. And this is the
one of the reason why I say Mirza was a KAZIB (Liar) prophet. Please read
the Page 180 of ROOHANI KHAZAIN vol 13. Where he said " When I was 6-7
years old, a persian teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran…and
his name was Fazal Ilahi...At 10 years of age an Arabic teacher was appointed
for me whose name was Fazal Ahmed…And when I was 17-18 years of age I was
educated by another Molvi Sahib whose name was Gul Ali Shah, who was appointed
by my father in Qadian to teach me." Then please read page 394 of vol 14
of ROOHANI KHAZAIN by Mirza Kazib Ghulam. Where he said, " Mahdi is not
anyone's student. I swear that this is exactly my condition. Nobody can
prove that any human has taught me Quran…" I told you that he was a liar.
And as a liar can't be a true prophet of God therefore he was a KAZIB.
Mr. Ali and my other Ahmadi friends please don't ruin your life in following
a liar and KAZIB prophet Mirza Ghulam. I am telling you the right path.
I told you early that Conflict is a good thing if it leads to an investigation
and investigation is very good if it leads to a Truth. Please always investigate
for truth not for counter attack. May ALLAH give you HADDYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, November
05, 1997 at 08:05:29 (EST)
Saleh Qadiani: You and other qadianis call themself muslims, It
does not mean that you become one only by claiming. Same is the case with
Rushdie. You (qadianis) and he (Rushidie) are same for us(muslims).
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Wednesday, November 05, 1997 at 03:05:52 (EST)
Messrs. Ali and Amir Qadianis, Mind your language please. May Allah
give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, November
05, 1997 at 01:03:07 (EST)
Mr. Abdul Aziz and all Qadianis! Yeah you are right Mr. Abdulaziz
for religious discussions CIVILIZED language and COOL Temper is very necessary.Here
is the model of language and cool temper of Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani.
Look how much civilized and cool temper is he. For his opponent Mr. Saadulah
, he writes " Demon. Scoundrel. Profilgate, Devil, Accursed, Seed of evil
person, Wicked, Mischievous, Ill- omened, Son of a bitch." (Roohani Khazain
vol, 14 p.53) Then Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani remembers his another opponent,
Hazzarat PEER Mehar Ali Shah (A Muslim saint), in the following words:
" Liar, KHABEES (Wicked), Sting like a scorpion. O land of Golra! Curse
of God be upon you. You have become accursed because of the cursed one."
(Roohani Khazain vol.18). What a beautiful language he used against his
opponents he said " Enemies have become swines of our Jungle and their
women have (become) worse than bitches." (Roohani Khazain vol.14, p.53).
Mr! Do you like this type of language for religious discussions, As your
Qadiani brothers Amir, Ali, Tahiri, Ahmad, Boris and Nawaz etc are using
on this page against Muslims? Sorry young man I can't use this type of
language. May ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, November
05, 1997 at 00:59:52 (EST)
To all Ahmadis: Get out of this guest book. It will die in its own
filth. It is your comments giving life to this page full of lies. Take
it from me: people like Rashid, Khalid, and Rumy are not seekers after
truth. They are just arrogant and only Allah will take care of them.
human <n.n>
- Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 23:58:30 (EST)
One of the allegation that is used by the Non-Ahmadies is that Mirza
sahib used very abuse language for the enemis. I wonder, Isn't Hadees Has
used more strong words of thes bloody so-called defender of Islam. SUCH
AS, "Those Ulamas would be the worse people under the heaven" Huzret shaw
waliullah says " these day's third class ulamas who give futwas on even
bit matters, it has been said about them, that their verdict has announced."
(alfouzulkabeer p10) If you need more refrences I don't mind to give, but
just think that your own walliullahs have spit on your faces.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 23:15:42 (EST)
Rashid: Is this history is yours or Sulman Rushdi's. I am not teasing
you, i am just trying to confirm.
Luqman <<>>
Mecca, Soudia - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 22:53:35 (EST)
Rumy: will you explain me the two vrses of the Holly Quran from
where I proved you that Prophet Jesus has died as any other prophet of
God. my personal experience shows that you people are more interested to
talk about Ahmadiyya as whole than prophet Jesus & his death.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 22:49:15 (EST)
Rumy: You usually quote that Mirza sahib had said that he will write
50 vols. of Braheeen Ahmadiyya, but he stopped writting after 5. (Ruhani
Khazain vol.21 p9) usually I never follow your quotations, because almost
each time quotations are miss quoted..It is history of you people that
you miss quote,& write part of writting than as whole. Anyhow lets
come to the point. TELL me where Mirza sahib has said that God has told
him that he will write 50 vols. What he said is that he has WISH (Arada)
to write 50. vols. Now tell me isn't there is different between ARADA and
Alham. Don't act like stupid. Now I prove my statement by giving you an
example from the life of My belovered Prophet Mohammad Peace & blessing
of Allah be upon him. Prophet Mohammad saw was told by The Allah that he
will go to HUJJ (pilgremage to Mecca) same year as of Sulah Hudabia. Tell
me , Did he go ?? was he (saw) and his companions were able to enter even
in Mecca. So, can you ever ever and ever think that nouzubillah prophet
Mohammad was wrong in his prediction. Now what about Prophet Yunus, He
said that Allah has told him that this village will be distroyed, Was it
?? Now tell me, Mirza sahib even never declare that Allah has told him
that he will write 50 vols. But what about above two examples !! Brother,
Never even think that i am trying to give more perference to Mirza sahib
over Nouzubillah Prophet Mohammad )saw) and even Prophet Yunus. I am just
trying to tell you Allah knows better What is right and wrong. Now you
should understand that you write without thinking. First you wrote about,
why sir Zefferullah did not join the jnaza prayer of Qaid( i have given
u answer,no reply from u) . then you declare that none of the Ahmadi mosque
has been demolish in pakistan, i guess u never read paper. I will tell
you taht no true prophet of God can be Liar.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 22:37:02 (EST)
I am sure this is another Grand Lie from your side as in past, Rashid.
But even if he belongs to an Ahmadi Family, does it shows that his belief
is same as Ahmadies?. Then what about Wives of Prophet Luut and Noha, And
the son of prophet Noha. Who refused to accept the truth. Does it show
that these two great prophet of God were nouzubillah Liar, because they
even could not follow them their own blood one. And what about Huzzret
Ubu Talib rz, Who did not left his own belief till the last breath, and
kept believe in idols. what do you think now ?? I am sure your investigation
is wrong. Also what about the writter & the publisher of his biography
may be like you ? I just came to mecca, i was in pakistan i never heard
this kind of statment even from the greatest enemis of Ahmadies Pakistani
Mullnas. This is first time that you rvealed anything like this. Anyhow,
my above statement will be enough for the time being.
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, Soudia - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 15:12:06 (EST)
I am sure this is another Grand Lie from your side as in past, Rashid.
But even if he belongs to an Ahmadi Family, does it shows that his belief
is same as Ahmadies?. Then what about Wives of Prophet Luut and Noha, And
the son of prophet Noha. Who refused to accept the truth. Does it show
that these two great prophet of God were nouzubillah Liar, because they
even could not follow them their own blood one. And what about Huzzret
Ubu Talib rz, Who did not left his own belief till the last breath, and
kept believe in idols. what do you think now ?? I am sure your investigation
is wrong. Also what about the writter & the publisher of his biography
may not be like you ? I just came to mecca, i was in pakistan i never heard
this kind of statment even from the greatest enemis of Ahmadies Pakistani
Mullnas. This is first time that you rvealed anything like this. Anyhow,
my above statement will be enough for the time being.
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, Soudia - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 15:09:48 (EST)
Dear Readers
Do you know that SALMAN RUSHDIE belonged to
Qadiani family?
His mother's name was Zohra Butt whose father
Abdullah Butt was a famous Qadiani who was Principal of Ajmal Khan Tibbiyah
College. After retirement he opened his clinic in Baradari, Aligarh. Later
he left Aligarh and settled in Pakistan and died there. Zohra Butt married
Mr Shaaghil Azmi, a teacher of Economics in Aligarh Muslim University.
Later on she had an affair with Anees Rushdie, while she was on vacation
in Kashmir. She left Shaaghil and went to live with Anees in Bombay. She
is still alive and probably living in Karachi with another name. A brother
of Zohra, Mehmood Butt is still lving in Lakhnow where his residence is
well known by the name of Butt House. He was at one time Chief Secretary
of UP Government. Anees Rushdie was an athiest and a drunkard and both
he and Zohra were living in Bombay when Salman Rushdie was born in 1947.
(Who
is Salman Rushdie? by Shahabuddin, Editor Sunni Dunya, Bareli, India)
One can well imagine now why Salman Rushdie
wrote all that trash, being brought up in an environment of Qadianism-cum-Athieism.
No wonder that one of the first reaction of Mirza Tahir on Salman Rushdie
affair that came in London Newspapers back in 1989 was in favour of Rushdie
and criticising the reactions of Muslims.
Wassalam on those who follow the Hidayah
Dr. Syed Rashid Ali
%Vh
Dr. Rashid
<rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
Dibba, . UAE - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 14:43:18 (EST)
Khalid Ismail: yoy are ashamless person !Have you read anything
about Sulman Rushdi ?? He still calls himself Muslim. Go and tell him Asslamoalaikum
brother. And we all mulim umma is very happy & proud of you that you
have done a great JOB. (nouzubillah) Now go, Atleast he is not Munafiq.
DUMM !
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, Soudia - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 14:29:27 (EST)
Ted Mark.(!!!!!)The whole thesis that i understood from your cppied
essay is, that no metter what Ahmadiyya is a small group but dangerous,
not today, but tomorrow they will win, and will prove their victory.!!
Come on!!Go back to Muddrasa & learn little more !!otherwise, your
adjectives, verb, noun and pronoun doesn't work here. try somewhere else,
you got 72 more.
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, Soudia - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 14:21:09 (EST)
Dear Readers ! I appreciate knowledge and work of Mr Khalid Ismail
from New York. He is the person who knows Islam and its spirit. Islam is
a cool religion.I think Ahmadyyeet depends on vulgarity and destruction.I
liked Khalid Ismail in ---- Mr Ahmed and other members of Qadiani Baradiri
of this guestbook. Probably you run out of your Drama visions. One plausible
reason may be that your master and mentor Iblees and his 2nd in command
Mirza Tahir Qadiani are busy in other dubious and destructive jobs and
could not spare any time to initiate your drama visions. Anyway lets come
back to Khatum-Nabeeyeen. First of all the quotations which your web page
provided from Muslim Ulama and saints are very patchy picking of one or
two lines from their writings suppressing all the context and subject.
Picking one line out of may be ten pages and then presenting with distorted
meaning is a typical qadiani attempt throughout the history of this cult.
Does these ulama explicitly said that there will be another prophet after
Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (SAW). First let me tell you one very basic rule
implied in Quran. We believe it is a book of Allah. And it will never be
altered or changed (in its original script as promised by Allah). In Quran
a word ( Verb or noun) is never used in contradictory meaning. The same
word either it is a verb or noun is used in supportive or favourable meaning
to each other. Never a word is used any where in Quran which has at one
place one meaning and then at another place with totally contradictory
meaning to previous usage. Now lets examine the word Khatam, it is used
only once in Quran (keep in mind it is a noun) and its adjective which
is sealed (khitam is used approx. at five different places). Now every
time when this word is used as Khitam it is always used as to close or
end something ( ie. see 36:65, 2:7). Similarly the noun Khatam is used
as a seal to close or end something. Now one begs the question that why
some of the Ulama had mentioned the additive or extrapolated meaning of
best in addition to last or end or closure. The most obvious reason was
because it is great honour for a prophet (pbuh) upon whom the Allah's revelation(Quran)
got to its highest point (to perfection as stated in Quran) and is promised
to be preserved by Allah for all the coming generations ( also indicated
by Allah that Hazrat Muhammad (saw) is Rahmat-ullil-Alameen His (SAW) message
will be source of Hadayat for all generations). Previously prophets were
send to their own nation or tribe and also all of their revelations were
lost or altered and changed some times after their departure from this
world. Now from where Mirza Qadiani came up with the meaning of Seal as
to open something (totally in contradiction with the spirit and the principle
of Quran which I mentioned earlier). He came up with another twisted idea
of subordinate prophet which never happened in history of prophethood.
Every Prophet was prophet on his own right and his revelations came from
Allah. Though all prophets(pbut) are like brothers from the same family
and came to guide the people according to will of Allah at different times
in history till the last prophet(SAW) came for the entire mankind and for
all generations to come with the perfect message(Quran) which is here to
stay till the end of the mankind with no alteration in its text as promised
by Allah. Probably this explanation should be enough if your hearts are
not fully sealed by Allah. Throughout the history of this cult the entire
Qadiani leadership produced so much twisted material and created so much
dust in front of qadiani followers that they can never see anything beyond
their nose and always label very intelligent Muslims to be misguided by
Maulvi's but in fact they themselves are totally brain-washed and blind-folded
by Qadiani leadership. Mirza was the unfortunate individual who changed
his own statements time and again. He in his early days of venturing debates
and religious writings said a couple of times that Khatam means last and
used this word as the seal in the meaning of end or last but then later
on changed his mind and said it is a seal to issue something. One ill-informed
Qadiani (Amir) said that Allah destroy Kazib's at their birth. You are
totally wrong Allah don't send his angels to kill liars and disbelievers.,
They will be given their appointed time and may be worldly achievements
as well (as we can see many many non-believers, arrogants and liars around
with all worldly success) but surely they will be doomed hereafter although
qadianism is very very small cult after their very intense missionary efforts
for hundred long years and never appeared to have any notable influence
to the history of religion and mankind. It is virtually unattended and
unknown to 99.99 % of mankind after 100 years, despite the monumental efforts
by the cult followers and missionaries. I can only wish that one day Allah
may guide you to the right path
TED MARK <Ted@sloani.com>
DALLAS, USA - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 10:11:58 (EST)
Listen Ali and Other Qadianis: Muslim people and nations has given
all the sacrifices around the world against Salman Rushdie and his western
protectors (media and governments). It is hight of shamelessness that now
you are taking the credit by saying that you has written a book in response.
First tell me when this book was written and which publisher printed it
and where did you run the media compaign to promote this book. Besides
there was no argument put in the evil Rushidie's novel. It is an abstarct
style third class writing where he insulted my beloved last Prophet (SAW).
Only thing Rushdie required was strong condemnation So no body dare to
think to write this kind of book again. It is muslims sacrifices which
reduced Rushidie's life as a living hell under the protection of Britisers
We muslims put Mirza and Rushdie in the same basket. Both were blasphemous.
Mirza was worse than Salman because he was Munafiq as well who tried to
stole the finality of prophethood. Now because of Muslims response any
publisher or writer will think 1000 times before writing and publishing
anything against the last Prophet (SAW) because of muslims response. Both
Salman and Mirzais (Mirza and his clan) were inventions of Britishers and
both are promoted and protected by Britishers till today.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Tuesday, November 04, 1997 at 03:24:37 (EST)
May Allah keep us safe from Qadiyaniat. I would like to die before
even a hairline fracture come into my faith. I am a muslim believe in the
Khatme-Nabuwwat, Alhamdulillah. Alas, Alas, when qadyanis after passing
this life will be entering in other world, long lasting, the first step
in grave, what will they answer to the question :-who is he (about Khataman
Nabiyyeen, Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa S.A.A.W. then will be very disappointed
about their previous life and faith but there will be no chance to repent.
Alas, Alas..... I pray for their return to Islam. Ameen.
Nadeem A. Farooqi <nadeem@innocent.com>
Karachi, SI Pakistan - Monday, November 03, 1997 at 21:28:13 (EST)
Dear Readers: I copy my previous message for your attention.Dear
non-Ahmadi visitors to this page: I accepted Ahmadiyyat some years ago.
I know what Kalima I used to recite and what I do now. There is not an
iota of difference. Not even in translation or interpretation. The accusation
which I read in the articles, such as Ahmadiyyat in Indonesia' posted on
this web site claiming that Ahmadis have a new Kalima or new Quran are
absolutely false. Such accusations can only be made by those people who
have no faith in the day of judgement. These people have nothing to do
with Islam. They simply cook up stories. Dear readers, please beware of
the liars because on the day of judgement they will desert you. As a Muslim
you are duty bound to investigate the claim of a person who declares himself
to be the Promised Messiah. This is because Prophet Muhammad (SAS) has
exhorted the Muslim Umma to go and pay his salam to the Promised Messiah
even if you have to crawl on snow. All of us know that many people have
claimed to be that Promised Messiah but they were false. However, I say
it with all the authority on my part that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the true
Messiah. Test him according the instructions given in the Holy Quran. You
will find him a true believer and follower of the Prophet Muhammad (SAS).
I say so because I have been a part of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat. I see the
Jamaat busy in working day and night to spread Islam all over the world.
They sacrifice their time, wealth, honor and even life. Look what has been
done to them in Pakistan. They are not permitted to say Azaan, call their
places of worship masjids, cannot say Assalamoalakum and not even kalima
whereby a person simply says that 'there is no God but Allah and Muhammad
is his messenger. Could you beleive that such persecution could be done
by the followers of Muhammad (SAS). Dear readers, these perprtrators have
nothing to do with Islam. They follow Islam of their volition. That Islam
has no similarity to the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAS). Please
look at the life style of these opponents of Ahmadiyyat. They are simply
exploiting you by using your weak point of 'Khatamannabiyyeen' and your
love for the Prophet. Their own deeds are such that according to Allama
Iqbal 'Jews feel shame looking at them'. These so called ulama have brought
nothing but shame to the religion of Islam and the Muslim world. How long
will you follow them blindly. Your life span is limited. One day you will
be gone and then you will have no way of investigating the truth. Please
start right away. Look for yourself the beliefs and deeds of Ahmadis. Do
not take the world of these ulama. There is a hadith,"In times of trial
when my people will go to their ulama, they will find their faces as those
of apes and swines". Don't you think that the time of tribulation is here
on the ummat of Prophet Muhammad (SAS). The whole world treats them like
junk. Their rulers suck their blood. In corruption, injustice, greed, mismanagement
they are number one. Please visit the Ahmadiyya web sites to know the truth
about Ahmadiyyat. Ponder over the material and if you still do not understans
then you will have something to say to Allah (SWA) on the day of judgement.
I pray for the readers. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <none.r>
Ca USA - Monday, November 03, 1997 at 21:12:11 (EST)
Mr. Khalid Ismail; I will stop myself for the time being as you
requested. But I am sitting on the fence and watching. I will see all qadiani
cultists of the guestbook and if they will continue using dirty language
against muslims on the guestbook. I will come back and drag Mirza Khabees
and his wicked Khalifa's out from the hell hole and beat the shit out of
them. I will make qadianis pay by burning their hearts for Khabees Mirza
and his cronies. V
Informer <QAK>
Lahore, USA - Monday, November 03, 1997 at 20:17:16 (EST)
Ah tail of Iblees: Rumy. U r SUCH a DUMM !! Quran says "The Messiah,
son of merry, was only a messenger; surely Messengers like unto him had
PASSED AWAY before him"(al-ma'ida 76.) now this shows that Prophet Jesus
is still alive. Lets look into another verse of the Quran" And Mohammad
is but a Messenger.Varily, all Messengers have PASSED AWAY before him"
(al'imran 145). Now tell me chief where you gona run. ?? run baby run !!
Ofcourse, i tell u my dear what u gona say " it is a miss unterpretation
that Qadianies have change the meanings into their favour". Com on Dumm,
get the hell out of this page. Now tell me from where you gona bring prophet
Jesus down. Another Bullshit that u played and said that there is a founder
of One faith and anyone who comes into his faith is hypocrite, then u have
given examples. Now tell me about prophet David, Soloman, Ilyas, Yehya,
and even prophet Jesus Himself who declared himself in the Bible that he
is Jew. and the word of Tora will remain as the law of Christainity. Are
u crazy !! i told u earlier that think before writting any thing.But more
than anything, what Prophet Mohammad saw has said himself that wen Mesih
will come he will teach Quran. Now run baby run. I say it again that you
are SUCH an idiot. Get some knoledge. even about your faith SHIAism !!
Secondly, Rumy u quote alot, I request you that give me a SINGLE Quotation
from the books of Huzret Mirza Gulam Ahmad, And all the four Kulaph, where
they have written anything anything and anything against Prophet Mohammad
SAW and declare that the Kalma of Ahmadi's is allah is one and (nouzubillah)
Ahmad is the messenger of Allah. at the end, I hop you understand why Mr.
Aziz spit on your face.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, - Monday, November 03, 1997 at 13:27:10 (EST)
Mr. Rumy: Religious discussion is possible only if both the parties
are willing to use civil language and keep tempers under control. Your
attitude is confrontational and language abusive. I find a repitition of
liar, kazib, etc. I shall not enter into a discussion with you unless you
correct your language and attitude. For the time being I shall let the
other readers think over my comments. Salaam.
Abdul Aziz <non.r>
Ca USA - Monday, November 03, 1997 at 12:13:11 (EST)
Mr. Rumy: Religious discussion is possible only if both the parties
are willing to use civil language and keep tempers under control. Your
attitude is confrontational and language abusive. I find a repitition of
liar, kazib, etc. I shall not enter into a discussion with you unless you
correct your language and attitude. For the time being I shall let the
other readers think over my comments. Salaam.
Abdul Aziz <non.r>
Ca USA - Monday, November 03, 1997 at 12:13:01 (EST)
Mr. Abdulaziz Qadiani! You have a big mouth, otherwise you have
no material to say. I like this " Tag Wrestling". But I am sure this time
you will run off again but other tag wrestlers (Ahmad or Ahmadi) will not
come. Now come to the point. I have read your both posts, they are based
on a total lie. I couldn't understand how bravely you people tell a lie.
Some times I think either you Ahmadi's are perfect ignorant (JAHAL) or
a perfect cheater. If you are cheating than no one is foolish than you.
And if you are ignorant then May ALLAH give you HADDAYET. Do you know What
is KALIMA in ISLAM? In KALIMA of ISLAM first part of KALIMA consists on
absolute unity of ALLAH. The 2nd part of KALIMA is consists on FINALITY
of Prophet-hood of Hazzarat Muhammad SAW with all respects. Now question
rise Do Ahmadies believe in Finality of Prophet-hood of Hazzarat Muhammad
SAW? Certainly not. It means that Qadianis do not believe in KALIMA too.
Another lie is that you have related a false statement with Hazzarat Muhammad
SAW. You know there is a full chapter (IMRAN'S FAMILY) and so many AYAS
are in Holy Quran about Hazzarat Isa AS. But none of them gives the hints
about resurrection Hazzarat Jesus AS. Number 3rd point is Are you really
interested that Mirza KAZIB should be compared by QURANIC studies ? Promise
me that you will not runaway. As your past history of discussion with brother
Khalid Ismail and Javed Sufi is. I would not like any excuse. May ALLAH
give you haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Monday, November
03, 1997 at 09:45:32 (EST)
Messrs. Ali &Amir. ! Why are you upset with me? I am not saying
any thing untrue. You admitted that A liar and A hypocrite couldn't be
a prophet. I said " Ok lets have a look on Mirza's life." When I am telling
you truth about him, you people started to cry. You people are so dump
that you have never tried to investigate the truth. And when some tells
you the truth you people use filthy language against him. The same habit
was of Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. Have you ever read his writings against
his opponents? Have you ever tried to listen your pope Mirza Tahir on your
channels? The same filthy language they used as you Ahamdi's are using.
Therefore I never mind whatever language you use. Now come to the point.
Why Ahmadiat/Qadianiat is not included in Islam. Why we Muslims say that
Ahmidiat is conspiracy of Anti-Islamic regime. Actually the foundation
of Ahmadiat is the mischievous conspiracy of Anti-Islamic forces. And Ahamidies
are MUNAFIQ in Islam. As you know MUNAFIQ (hypocrite) is one who feigns
to be what he is not. Here Ahmadi's claim them Muslim while they are not
Muslim. It is ethic of DEENS and religions that every prophet introduces
his own religion. It doesn't matter what was their origin, or his claim
of prophet-hood was right or not. As the origin of Jew-ism (Hazzarat Mosses
AS), Christianity (Hazzarat Jesus AS) and Islam (Hazzarat Muhammad SAW)
is same that is DEEN-E-IBRAHIMI. Same is in Hindu-ism, Buddha-ism (Gottam
Buddha) and Jane-ism (Maha Veera) and Sikh-ism (Guru Nannak), are originated
from Hindu-ism. But these all are different religions. Have you ever listened
MUHAMMADI CHRISTIAN, or MUHAMMADI JEW? Never. While Muslims believe in
prophet-hood of Hazzrat Moses AS and Hazzrat Jesus AS is stronger than
Jews and Christians. In Holy Quran it is said " The apostle believes in
what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers;
they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His apostles;
We make no difference between any of His apostles; and they say: We hear
and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual
course. (Holy Quran 2:285) The above discussion shows that it doesn't matter
how much you have honor for some one, religion changes with prophet-hood.
Here Ahmadies are only who have their own Prophet but they call themselves
as Ahamadi Muslim and they want to use the name of Islam. This is their
hypocrisy. Ethically they should accept that Ahmadies are non-Muslim. And
in this way they are creating fuss in Islam and working for Anti- Islam
forces. May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Monday, November
03, 1997 at 09:42:03 (EST)
Khalid: If someone does not want to throw a piece of bread to you,
why you want to grab it by forcely. First Get rid of from Mr. Ahmadi. Just
for your kind Information that Ahmadiyya Jamat is the only one who answered
of "stanic verse" of Sulman Rushdi. You are so eager to ask questions which
are already has been explained in detail On MTA and in other ahmadiyya
letreture. Why you people so scare from ahmadies, why you do not give your
time to answer Sulman Rushdi's book. And then tell me that Rushdi is Qadiani,
why? because he does not understand Mr. Khalid Ismail of United State of
America. The problem with you people is that you all want to keep your
feet in both boats. Like Rumy,who says, Ahmadies are Kafir, But Why Zefferullah
Khan did not join the Jnaza Prayer of Qaide-azem. Come on !! The Questions
that you have raised are have been answered, it is not our fault if you
do not understand. Because you never gona believe anyway. Like when Mr.
Ahamdi given you the detail Qutaions from the original books with name,
page, line, and even word. You said that if these Ulama may alive they
must stand against Ahmadies that ahmadies took them wrongfully. Use you
brain, if have !!no matter what even if we fill this all page with answers.
there will be same response from you that, it is copy & past. So why
you don't go to Ahmadiyya web page and read the original version. No you
won't, because there is a big insect in your brain that will only die with
you death.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Sunday, November 02, 1997 at 23:17:16 (EST)
Mr Aziz & other Qadianis: The only thing stuck into your minds
is that how to cut-&-paste some text to show Mirza as prophet. In this
course you fellows produced some of the most ridiculous statements. Here
are a few monumental blunders again which Mirza had produced while embarking
on the destructive journey to claiming prophethood. He lost his mind and
rationale in persuasion of this unfortunate objective. Now any Qadiani
worth his salt cannot defend and argue about his following self-defeating
statements. . 1) Initially Alkazib Mirza Ghulam claimed he is a follower's
of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) and denied any status for himself whatsoever 2)
He claimed to be a reformer and Mehdi 3) He claimed he is a Rusul and Nabi
4) He claimed that he became Marry and got pregnant and born as Jesus (Astagfer-ullah)
5) He claimed 'I am Adam, I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob,
I am Ishmael, I am Moses' 6) He claimed that he is second coming of Hazrat
Mohammad(SAW) 7)He claimed that he is Buddha and Krishana. 8) He claimed
that he became a woman and Allah has exhibited his power of manhood (Astagfar-ullah).
9)He claimed that Allah has revealed to him that he(Mirza) is like His
(Allah) son 10) And finally Alkazib Mirza claimed that Allah told him 'Thou
art to me as my unity and I am of thee' (Astagfar-ullah). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why don't you understand that clearly he was a Lair, Munafiq & impositor.
What makes you believe after reading his above statements that he was a
prophet ?…………Do you think Allah will come down on earth from heavens to
tell you that Mirza was a liar. No it will not happen It is not Almighty's
way…… Don't allow Mirza Ghulam and Mirza Tahir to lead you astray…………
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Sunday, November 02, 1997 at 19:17:42 (EST)
Ah tail of Iblees Rumy: how r u chief ?? no matter what how much
brother Ali speak to u nicely no-one else can understand u better than
me ! Because i know the tail of DOG can be straight but people like u can
never be understand (waht u gona show to Arab kings, u aint get mony.)
Chief, What is the defination of simple Islam ?? waht do u believe regaurding
coming of imam mehdi etc.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Sunday, November 02, 1997 at 00:10:29
(EST)
Rumy: please stop barking, your toung is getting very black. I request
you as a human brother stop barking and try to find truth in real meanig.
I understand that you read Ahmadi's books & letrature, but why you
always take it from negative point of view. Listen, I am Hafiz Quran, I
have memorized all the Holly Quran. I challenge you that give me your address
of Raheem Yaar khan, I come there (on my expenses) And you open the Quran
from first page and I Start it reading, till the last word of Quran if
you could find a single word other than is written in your Quran, I want
you to cut my throat right on top. Come on! Please give me a break !! don't
let people laugh on you. You raise those questions in your writting thaat
were raised by your elders. Ahmadiyya Jamat has given answers of these
allegations so many times, it,s not our fault if you can not understand.
Why you don't understand it,s a fact that a person who has no legs he cannot
walk, a blind person cannot see, a deph person cannot hear. It is not our
fault or it was not the fault of Holly prophet Mohammed swa that people
did not believed in him. Listen brother, my name is Mohammed Ali, if my
parents were so against the Islam and the Holly prophet swa why did they
called me this name. Please think and think. Take Mirza sahib's book little
seriously in positive manners as you do in negative. I hop you will understand.
You seems to be an intelligent person but some how you have in strong influence
!! May God be with you.
ALi <<>>
Halifax, - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 23:58:46 (EST)
Dear non-Ahmadi visitors to this page: Last time I wrote that opponents
of the Promised Messiah have quoted fabrications. I want to give one example
here. In 1984, the Government of Pakistan published a white paper and distributed
it widely in Pakistan and the rest of the Muslim countries. The objective
was to alert the Muslims all over the world to the so called "grave danger
to Islam posed by the Ahmadiyya Jamaat." The government wrote," After having
considered the research done by the Muslim ulema it has been found that
the Ahmadiyya Jamaat was planted among the Muslims by the British Government.
Their objective was to establish and strengthen the British rule all over
India." According to the Pakistani government this conclusion was based
on the facts stated in a publication of the British Government stating
that 'a prophet be brought forth in India and be called a subordinate prophet'.
The name of this publication according to the Pakistan Govt. was 'The Arrival
of the British Empire in India". Dear readers, would you believe that after
having checked all the libraries in England, including the British museum,
India Office and national libraries no body found a publication by this
name. When Jamaat Ahmadiyya contacted the British archives administration
about this publication, they received a reply that no such publication
or document is available in England or in any of the associated libraries
in USA. Now dear readers, just think. If an established government is willing
to tell a white lie to malign Jamaat Ahmadiyya then will not masses be
misled into believing false accusations against the Jamaat. I urge you
to please do your own research. Visit the Ahmadiyya web page www.alislam.org.
InshaAllah you will find the truth. May Allah bless you all. WassalaamVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 21:14:43 (EST)
Assalamo Alaikum to all the truth seekers: Before blaming anyone
you should seek the truth yourself in th light of Quranic Teachings and
Ahadees. What do you think about appearance of Imam Mahdi according to
the prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W. Imam Mahdi was to appear in the
14th century to revive Islam as per prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.
and he conveyed his Salam to Imam Mahdi. So Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian
declared himself Imam Mahdi as per the prophesy and all the signs appeared
in his support. How can Allah leave anyone unpunished who is a liar and
also is progressing day by day with the Grace of Allah. May Allah Guide
all of us. Wasalam.%Vh
Muslim <Muslim>
UAE - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 12:25:18 (EST)
Assalamo Alaikum to all the truth seekers: Before blaming anyone
you should seek the truth yourself in th light of Quranic Teachings and
Ahadees. What do you think about appearance of Imam Mahdi according to
the prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W. Imam Mahdi was to appear in the
14th century to revive Islam as per prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.
and he conveyed his Salam to Imam Mahdi. So Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian
declared himself Imam Mahdi as per the prophesy and all the signs appeared
in his support. How can Allah leave anyone unpunished who is a liar and
also is progressing day by day with the Grace of Allah. May Allah Guide
all of us. Wasalam.%Vh
Muslim <Muslim>
UAE - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 12:25:07 (EST)
Assalamo Alaikum to all the truth seekers: Before blaming anyone
you should seek the truth yourself in th light of Quranic Teachings and
Ahadees. What do you think about appearance of Imam Mahdi according to
the prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W. Imam Mahdi was to appear in the
14th century to revive Islam as per prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.
and he conveyed his Salam to Imam Mahdi. So Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian
declared himself Imam Mahdi as per the prophesy and all the signs appeared
in his support. How can Allah leave anyone unpunished who is a liar and
also is progressing day by day with the Grace of Allah. May Allah Guide
all of us. Wasalam.%Vh
Muslim <Muslim>
UAE - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 12:25:02 (EST)
Assalam-U-Alaikum Mr.Rashid, I was amaized to see that how you can
turn the facts into fiction that you desire by such a artistic way. I think
the energy you have spent on this web site if used in some other developing
field you could have earned a Internation respect but I can't say more
cause it's your life... Alhamdulillah I am Ahmedi Muslim by birth and will
remain till I live.. Wassalam Syed Shahid Mahmood.
Syed Shahid Mahmood <ahmedi_muslim@rocketmail.com>
Karachi, Sind Pakistan - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 11:50:28 (EST)
Leave the informer alone. Let brothers Rumy and Khalid take care
of hiVh
walt <no.o>
Ca USA - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 09:14:48 (EST)
Amir & all Qadianis! How are you dear disciple. Yeah if I am
your chief then sure you are my disciple. Don't feel hesitation to come
in discussion. The matter under discussion may be highly concerned. I always
appreciate those people who have courage to express their opinion. Conflict
in opinion is in one respect good that it leads to an investigation and
investigation is better in respect that it leads to truth. Before it I
come to the real matter, it will be better to answer your baseless question.
Listen I am not Shia. I am a simple Muslim. And I have a great respect
& love in my heart for Hazzarat Abu Bakar, Hazzarat Umar, Hazzarat
Usman and Hazzrat Ali. These honorable Sahab'as are more honorable and
beloved to me than my real parents. Here again I am telling you all that
I do not belong to any sect. Of Islam but I respect every sect equally
as they all are Muslim. Now come to the point and let's start the investigation
of truth. You accepted that A KAZIB (Liar) or A MUNAFIQ (Hypocrite) couldn't
be a prophet. Here you are 100% right. Now let's see how Mirza Ghulam A
Qadiani was KAZIB and MUNAFIQ. Here I will not start the discussion again
from ABC. I would like to give you reference, Here is first reference where
Dr Rashid has proved from Hadith of Hazzarat Muhammad (SAW) and ROOHANI
KHAZAIN of Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani. "Dear Qadianis/Ahmadis Whenever Muslims
are labeling you or your founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a MUNAFIQ (HYPOCRITE),
you say how can we read what is in your hearts. Today I will tell you why
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the BIGGEST MUNAFIQ, a PERFECT HYPOCRITE. There is
a Hadith of Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW)where he says: "If following four
(habits) are found in a person, then he is a PERFECT HYPOCRITE, and if
one sign is found in a person, then he has one sign of hypocrisy until
he leaves it: · When he is entrusted (with something), HE EMBEZZLES;
· When he talks, HE LIES; · When he promises, HE RENEGES
ON IT; · When he quarrels, HE ABUSES." (Bukhari, Muslim) Now if
you read the life of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, you will find the proofs of all
four habits: · LIAR, EMBEZZLER, RENEGADE - ALL IN ONE: He promised
to write Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya in 50 volumes, took advance payment for these
volumes and then stopped publishing Braheen after 4 volumes. 5th volume
came out 25 years later and in its preface he wrote: "At first I had intended
to write in 50 volumes, but I was contended with writing 5 volumes and
since the difference between 50 and 5 is a mere ZERO, my promise (of writing
50 volumes) is fulfilled by writing 5 volumes." (Roohani Khazain vol.21
p.9). · GRAND LIAR: He wrote in Kitab-ul-Bariyah about his early
life and gave names of teachers who taught him Quran, Hadith etc. "At 10
years of age an Arabic Teacher was appointed for me whose name was Fazal
Ahmed ....and when I was 17-18 years of age I was taught by another Molvi
Saheb, whose name was Gul Ali Shah, who was appointed by my father in Qadian
to teach me…..When I was 6-7 years old, a persian teacher was employed
for me who taught me Holy Quran ....and his name was Fazal Ilahi." (Roohani
Khazain vol 13 p.180) Then later on to prove his claim of being a Mahdi,
he wrote that Mahdi will be the person who will not have any teacher. He
goes on to swear upon God that no one can prove that anyone had taught
him anything: "Mahdi is not a student of anybody. I swear that this is
exactly my condition. Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran."
(Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.394) · ABUSIVE LANGUAGE: Just one example
will suffice here. Reacting to the criticism of one of his opponents, he
said: "O Low Caste! Khabees! Enemy of Allah and Prophet! You have done
this Jewish alteration in the (prophecy), so that this Grand Miracle of
Holy Prophet SAAW is hidden from this world .....your lie O Worthless is
exposed ......from which word did these Stupids understood these meanings?
O Morons! O Sightless! Disgrace to the Molviyat! ......especially the head
of the Dajjaleens, Abdul Haq Ghaznavi and his followers; Hundred thousand
times Shoes of Curses of Allah may fall upon them. O Dirty Dajjal! Prophecy
has been fulfilled but bigotry has blinded you." (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham,
Roohani Khazain vol 11 p.330) Of course there are other scores of examples
of all these qualities of hypocrisy in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. These are all
there in his books for anyone who wants to see. Wassalam to those who follow
the right path. Dr. Syed Rashid Ali
Dibba, UAE - Saturday, October 11, 1997 at 14:53:46 (EDT) " Here I close
this posting, INSHA ALLAH I will provide more evidences in favour of that
Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani was KAZIB AND MUNAFIQ. May ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, November
01, 1997 at 08:52:42 (EST)
Mr Informer: Being a muslim brother I request you not to use strong
language against any individual leave this field for qadianis alone. They
are well trained by Mirza Ghulam and Mirza Tahir for using abusive language.
We should appreciate and learn from brother Rumi who kept his restraint
despite so much rubbish is thrown at him by qadianis. May Allah bless you
brother Rumi. Mr informer You have full right to bring truth into picture
about qadianism but in proper language. I hope you will not mind. Wasalam
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 04:39:09 (EST)
Mr Ahamdi: As I have noticed the only thing you have is manipulated
information from your web page. You kept on insisting the things which
you yourself never seen in full. My sincere and humble effort was to bring
truth into the picture about the finality of prophethood that you may can
see the light and avoid the pain which awaits for you because of the corrupt
faith hereafter.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 04:36:39 (EST)
Qadiani Boris Yelstin: Do you know Mirza Qadiani was a homosexual
pervert and impotent. He admitted himself that he did lost his manhood.
Some british masters who used to fulfil his perversion asked him to claim
prophethood and that's exactly how he became prophet. Later on when he
got married despite his impotence he asked royal sex therapist Hakim Noora
to make a KUSHTA for him. Hakim who was a pimp to Maharaja Kashmir made
a KUSHTA just to deceive Mirza and stupid Mirza believed him then cleverly
Hakim Nuruddin moved to Qadian when he was kicked out from Kashmir. Here
he developed a special relationship with Mirza's young hot bimbo wife.
Now you understand that where Basir-uddin Mehmood and other known offspring
of Mirza came from. Cultist I have many mysteries for you & other Qadianis.
You will have a merry go with me.
Informer <QAK>
Lahore, Pakistan - Saturday, November 01, 1997 at 00:06:15 (EST)