Anti Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam

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8th Nov 1997 - 18th Nov 1997

A Question for WARAICH ( a defender of MIRZA KAZIB) Mr. Waraich my first Question: are you on the payroll of Mirza TAHIR at this time? How much you get paid for defending this KING OF LIARS? Secondly you said that ALLAH (SWT) tolds MIRZA (KAZIB) that JESUS (PBUH) is dead? First of all why did ALLAH(SWT) has to talk to an enemyt of his beloved PROPHET? Specially to MIRZA who is the biggest Liar and MURTADD. and through which angel DID ALLAH(SWT) talk to MIRZA. TICHI TICHI again? Waraich, You are really a CLOWN man.
Amin Raza Lahori <>
PK - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 07:35:14 (EST)

This message is for "WARAICH" who is trying to give his vague and nonsense argument like MIRZA. Puttar Warraich, The Character of a Prophet is that HE NEVER TALK ANY NON-SENSE (LIKE MIRZA KAZIB DID) at his own, Any thing that comes out of his mouth is WORD OF ALLAH. there is never a chance of confusion or contradiction. What ever your Fake and KAZIB (MIRZA) said it shows that he was an absolute LIAR and KAZIB. What about HIS (MIRZA'S) death? Death in MISERY and DISGRACE. is that the sign of a prophet too? Shame on your STUBBORN and NONSENSE thinking. Man wake up and Smell the coffee unless you are Brain Demage like MIRZA and have no sense of RIGHT OR WRONG. Any QUESTION about How did your MIRZA MURTADD died call me at 1-900 SHITTY MIRZA. I will Answer your question.
Qadiani Buster <Qadiani Buster@ShittyMirza.Com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 07:25:58 (EST)

This message is for "WARAICH" who is trying to give his vague and nonsense argument like MIRZA. Puttar Warraich, The Character of a Prophet is that HE NEVER TALK ANY NON-SENSE (LIKE MIRZA KAZIB) at his own, Any thing that comes out of his mouth is WORD OF ALLAH. there is never a chance of confusion or contradiction. What ever your Fkae and KAZIB (MIRZA) said it shows that he was an absolute LIAR and KAZIB. What about HIS (MIRZA'S) death. Death in misery and in DISGRACE. is that the sign of a prophet too? Shame on your STUBBORN thinking. Man wake up and Smell the coffee unless you are Brain Demage like MIRZA and have no sense of RIGHT OR WRONG. Any QUESTION about How did your MIRZA MURTADD died call me at 1-900 SHITTY MIRZA. I will Answer your question.
Qadiani Buster <Qadiani Buster@ShittyMirza.Com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 07:22:34 (EST)

My dear Hindu friends; I humbly submit that My mother didn't change her religion. Please don't be confused with my previous regeret message to Ahmadies brs. You know our family position very well. Bye.
UMTUL <SORRY>
Halifax, Canada - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 23:37:38 (EST)

Respectful Qadiani brs ! Please show your high patience. Actually my brother Amir is Schizophenic and sometimes he shows very derogatory behaviour. On the behalf of him I appologize from you all readers. As you know our family history, We are fully lyoal to Hazart Sahib. I faxed today to dad ansd he will take care. Bye.
UMTUL <SORRY>
Halifax, Canada - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 23:32:54 (EST)

My Dear Brother AMIR ! It looks that you are not taking your medicines properly. Please take care your self. And stop writting with fake name of Muhammad Masseh.You are ruining our family reputation. Don't worry about me I am happy with Ali. He really nice guy. Take care yourself. Bye
UMTUL <SORRY>
Halifax, Canada - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 23:25:41 (EST)

Dear Rashid Seems that You have some personal envy with Ahmedi's. If You have any problems with Ahmedi's please let me know, any questions U have? I will be glad to answer your questions if any, because I belive in sitting and talking for working out the problems. Well only diffrence between Ordnary Muslims and Ahmedi muslims is that they belive that the promissed Massiah has arrived and that Jesus did not died on cross, but afterward some where in Kashmir, but this is a long disscussion, we will discuss this later on, just let me know Your believe about promissed Messiah?? Well I think that all the signs mentioned in The Holy Quran have been confirmed on Hadhrat Mirza Guhlam Ahmed Quadiani, and its no doubt about it cause if some one in true struggle to seek the truth will believe in it after having through study on Messia's history and related incidents. Hope U will act like a decent man and if U R still having some confusions about real islam that can break cross and beat the Dajjal and is really peacefull in its domain and really struggling hard to convey Islam to every corner of the world, then U have found the real man to ask for. Wassalam Aamir
Aamir Syed <ahmedi_muslim@rocketmail.com>
Kar, SD Pk - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 21:31:08 (EST)

Dear Mr. Muhammad Masih: It is a sad commentary on this page. New comers think that this web site is nothing but filth. Unfortunately people who visit it regularly are to blame. Through their abusive writings and inflammatory expressions against a small minority who call themselves Ahmadi Muslims this guest book looks like a competitive page in pornographic ideas. Please give me your attention. What these religious bigots write on this page has nothing to do with Islam, the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAS). You may be a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew or a Buddh. We are creatures of the same God. All of us have to answer him on the day of judgement. Our deeds in the form of hurtful writings against others will require to be explained before the almighty. So please remeber what you say is your responsibility and what others say is their responsibility. I want to tell you that Muhammad (SAS) did not make laws for himself or others. God gave the laws. Muhammad (SAS) simply explained and implemented them. The law allowing four wives to a man is the only divinely related law in this respect. Previous religions never limited the number of wives for a man. Look how many wives Prophet Krishna had. How many Moses(AS) and Solomon(AS) had. The previous religions permitted men to marry as many women as they pleased. As to the reason why Muhammad (SAS) was permmitted to have more than four wives is that he had them before the law was revealed. Since these ladies were mothers to Muslims, they could not marry another Muslim if the Prophet had divorced some of them (which could have been termed injustice to them). Also please remeber that some of these ladies were very old, their husbands had died or were killed in battles and hence did not have any one to look after them. Prophet Muhammad in his youth had only one wife who was 15 years older than him. He did not marry another woman in her life. His having more wives than allowed to other Muslims was not for worldly pleasures. I hope this will satisfy you. I pray God to keep you on the right path. Best wisheVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca usa - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 21:01:03 (EST)

Question: Mirza sahib writes many controversial statements? Answer: Mirza sahib never wrote any controversial statement. Yes, It is possible that prophet of Allah says something from himself. But Later when Allah tells him that it was not right, and corrects the prophet. Therefore it is not controversy, because to be controversial one person says something here, but denies or says something else there. Lets read this verse of Quran " Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy"(Al-Nisa, 83) Now you must understand that there should be controversy in writting other than Allah. Prophet of Allah are Humen, And they Do pray (Rube Zidny Ilma) "..but only say; Lord, bestow on me increase of knowledge" (Ta'ha 115). Now it is possible that anything Prophet says which is before Allah tells him is might not be right. As it is written in Quran regaurding Hazzrat Noah who said, Quran " And Noah cried unto his Lord and said, My Lord, verily, my son is of my family, and surely Thy promise is true, and thou art the Most just of Judges"(Hud 46) My dear brothers, BUT Allah said, Quran "Allah said, 'O Noah, he is surely not of the family, he is indeed a man of unrighteous conduct" (Hud 47) Now if Hazzrat Noah DO NOT include his son as a member of his family (as it is said above by Allah) then there will be No aligation unto prophet Noah (atleat from Ahmadies) Because Hazzrat Noah's first wording was based on his own opinion. But his second statement was on the knoledge that was given to him by Allah. Now You people must understand that there sould not be controversy in ALHAM-e-ELAHI. Because it is from Allah who is the creatore of this heaven & earth & who knows everything. This is the reason that Allah told Our beloved & most mercyful prophet of Allah, Hazzrat Mohammad peace be upon him that, quran " Taught man what he knew not" (Al-Alaq 6) Now it is comon sense that the statements of a prophet before Knoledge was given to him by Allah, And the statements that was made after the knowledge was given should be different And could be different. But the indication of this is not a negative point in the prophecy of any prophet But an authentic prove of being truthful. It was blamed on Hazzrat Mirza sahib that regaurding his writtings about the death of Hazzrat Jesus Criest peace be upon him. What Hazzrat Mirza sahib was written there was based on his personal knoledge. But after when Allah told him the fact regaurding the death of Hazzrat Jesus peace be upon him, Then Hazzrat Mirza sahib again wrote in his book Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya. Now it is understood, that when hazzrat sahib wrote taht Jesus son of Mary is still alive. But Later in his book he Said taht Allah has told him that Jesus son of Mary is died. Now first version is depends on his own opinion (before knoledge was given to him by Allah) And second statement is based on What Allah told him. Therefore, he would be an extrteme foolish who would say that there is controversy in Mirza sahib's writting. MY WRITTING IS CONTINUE, IN NEXT WRITTING I WILL PROVE MY POINT FROM HADIETHES, I request brothers to wait for my next writting before making any comment. Because your comments might not be true according to Hadiethes, And then feel shameless.
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega City, - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 20:51:59 (EST)

ASSALAMOLAKUM WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS WHY MUSLIMS FIGHT AGAINST OTHER MUSLIMS. AS AN AHMADI, I STAND BY LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE. PERSECUTING SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS IS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN THE QURAN. I DO NOT SEE A MUSLIM PERSECUTING A CHRISTIAN, NOR DO I WANT TO SEE ANYONE BEING PUT ON TRIAL FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS RIGHT. SO PLEASE, MUSLIM SISTERS AND BROTHERS, STOP FIGHTING AGAINST EACH OTHER. LOVE FOR ALL AND HATRED FOR NONE FROM H-TOWN
Z <www.prarieview. com>
HOUSTON, TX USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 15:25:08 (EST)

Qadiani Buster: Who the FUCK are you trying to compare me with Mirza. Wh the hell FUCK was He: And what about the The hell of the FUCKEN Mohammad Wh used to make different Lawa for you And different for himself. He told you to FUCK 4 women But 100000000to fuck each night. What the hell FUCK are you thinking ME. ASSHOLE
Mohammad, Mesih <<>>
Mombay, - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 12:30:55 (EST)

This message is for the Illegimitate Kid of Mirza KAZIB who wrote from MOMBAY (INDIA) and intentially used the names of two Holy Prophets to hide his identity and intentially to disgrace them (MAY ALLAH 'SWT' disgrace you and your Mirza oh MUrtadd) After reading your response One can imagine that what kind of teachings MIRZA KAZIB has for all the QADIANIS (Murtadeens). As a matter of fact it looks like that this MURTADD from MOMBAY just copied a whole chapter of "BRAHEEN-E-AHMADIYA" from the 6th Volume that Book, MIRZA(KAZIB) could not publish because of his Miserable death (With SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) In the same book MIRZA KAZIB wrote about this Guy in MOMBAY(INDIA) that MIRZA KAZIB) had ANAL SEX with his mother and Made her Pregnant through the anal SEX. Isn't a that Miracle of MIRZA KAZIB. amd When this guy from MOMBAY was born he came out of his Mother's ASS. full of SHIT. That's why he still has his language full of SHIT just like MIRZA'S. The delivery of this guy from MOMBAY was also done by the angle(TICHI TICHI) of Mirza Kazib. MIRZA KAZIB himself liked SHIT so much that asked TICHI TICHI if he can die with SHIT in his mouth, that wich TICHI TICHI had no problem to approve. Thats why all the Books of Mirza Kazib as well as the Illegitimate (HARAMI) kids of MIRZA are Just like this Guy from Mombay. All these booke are available free of cost to all the MURTADEEN'S if they call 1-900-SHITTY-MIRZA.
Qadiani Buster <MIRZAMURTAD@HELL.COM>
Qadian, India - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 08:07:20 (EST)

This message is for the Illegimitate Kid of Mirza KAZIB who wrote from MOMBAY (INDIA) and intentially used the names of two Holy Prophets to hide his identity and intentially to disgrace them (MAY ALLAH 'SWT' disgrace you and your Mirza oh MUrtadd) After readind your response One can imagine that what kind of teachings MIRZA KAZIB has for all the QADIANIS (Murtadeens). As a matter of fact it looks like that this MURTADD from MOMBAY just copied a whole chapter of "BRAHEEN-E-AHMADIYA" from the 6th Volume that MIRZA(KAZIB) could not publish because of his Miserable death (With SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) In the same book MIRZA KAZIB wrote about this Guy in MOMBAY(INDIA) that MIRZA KAZIB) had ANAL SEX with his mother and Made her Pregnant through tha anal SEX. Isn't that Miracle of MIRZA KAZIB. amd When this guy from MOMBAY was born he came out of his Mother's ASS. full of SHIT. That's why he still has his language full of SHIT just like MIRZA'S. The delivery of this guy from MOMBAY was also done by the angle(TICHI TICHI) of Mirza Kazib. MIRZA KAZIB himself liked SHIT so much that asked TICHI TICHI if he can die with SHIT in his mouth, that wich TICHI TICHI had no problem to approve. Thats why all the Books of Mirza Kazib as well as the Illegitimate (HARAMI) kids of MIRZA are Just like this Guy from Mombay. All these booke are available free of cost to all the MURTADEEN'S if they call 1-900-SHITTY-MIRZA.
Qadiani Buster <MIRZAMURTAD@HELL.COM>
Qadian, India - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 08:01:28 (EST)

This message is for the Illegimitate Kid of Mirza KAZIB who wrote from MOMBAY (INDIA) and intentially used the names of two Holy Prophets to hide his identity and intentially to disgrace them (MAY ALLAH 'SWT' disgrace you and your Mirza oh Myrtadd) After readind your response One can imagine that what kind of teachings MIRZA KAZIB has for all the QADIANIS (Murtadeens). As a matter of fact it looks like that this MURTADD from MOMBAY just copied a whole chapter of "BRAHEEN-E-AHMADIYA" from the 6th Volume that MIRZA(KAZIB) could not publish because of his Miserable death (With SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) In the same book MIRZA KAZIB wrote about this Guy in MOMBAY(INDIA) that MIRZA KAZIB) had ANAL SEX with his mother and Made her Pregnant through tha anal SEX. Isn't that Miracle of MIRZA KAZIB. amd When this guy from MOMBAY was born he came out of his Mother's ASS. full of SHIT. That's why he still has his language full of SHIT just like MIRZA'S. The delivery of this guy from MOMBAY was also done by the angle(TICHI TICHI) of Mirza Kazib. MIRZA KAZIB himself liked SHIT so much that asked TICHI TICHI if he can die with SHIT in his mouth, that wich TICHI TICHI had no problem to approve. Thats why all the Books of Mirza Kazib as well as the Illegitimate (HARAMI) kids of MIRZA are Just like this Guy from Mombay. All these booke are available free of cost to all the MURTADEEN'S if they call 1-900-SHITTY-MIRZA.
Qadiani Buster <MIRZAMURTAD@HELL.COM>
Qadian, India - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 08:00:50 (EST)

This message is for the Illegimitate Kid of Mirza KAZIB who wrote from MOMBAY (INDIA) and intentially used the names of two Holy Prophets to hide his identity and intentially disgrace them (MAY ALLAH 'SWT' disgrace you and your Mirza oh Myrtadd) After readind your response One can imagine that what kind of teachings MIRZA KAZIB has for all the QADIANIS (Murtadeens). As a matter of fact it looks like that this MURTADD from MOMBAY just copied a whole chapter of "BRAHEEN-E-AHMADIYA" from the 6th Volume that MIRZA(KAZIB) could not publish because of his Miserable death (With SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) In the same book MIRZA KAZIB wrote about this Guy in MOMBAY(INDIA) that MIRZA KAZIB) had ANAL SEX with his mother and Made her Pregnant through tha anal SEX. Isn't that Miracle of MIRZA KAZIB. amd When this guy from MOMBAY was born he came out of his Mother's ASS. full of SHIT. That's why he still has his language full of SHIT just like MIRZA'S. The delivery of this guy from MOMBAY was also done by the angle(TICHI TICHI) of Mirza Kazib. MIRZA KAZIB himself liked SHIT so much that asked TICHI TICHI if he can die with SHIT in his mouth, that wich TICHI TICHI had no problem to approve. Thats why all the Books of Mirza Kazib as well as the Illegitimate (HARAMI) kids of MIRZA are Just like this Guy from Mombay. All these booke are available free of cost to all the MURTADEEN'S if they call 1-900-SHITTY-MIRZA.
Qadiani Buster <MIRZAMURTAD@HELL.COM>
Qadian, India - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 07:59:51 (EST)

My Qadiani Loan-da's ; I am proud of you. After watching your activities on this guestbook. Your are truly following my traditions Oh good Iblees; after a while I have tasted such abusive language. I am proud of Tahir who trained you in this field. Bash Muslims and Islam with this style of language and stupid arguments. I hope Aka Iblees is looking after you with all his disciples in the west. I am anxiously waiting for you here in the lowest pit of hell. Well come any time.
Mirza Ghulam A. Qadiani <Mirza@hell.shitt.in.mouth>
Base Level , Hell - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 03:25:39 (EST)

Mr. Khalid: I have been waiting of brother Waraich, wheather he will answer your comments. But it seems to me that Mr. Waraich is not interested in direct dioloque. I will answer your question LATTER regaurding The revelution of word TICHI. Because I have to open some books for that. Now I would like to answer your gigling regaurding mirza sahib was employee of Brits. Now the example that I am gona give you is might be painfull, I am sure more for me than you. But we do not like to give examples other than My bloved prophet of Allah Mohammad peace And blessing of Allah be upon him. Lets start: First of All I do not know wheather Hazzrat Mirza sahib was employee of Brits or Not. But EVEN if he was employee of Brits. I ask you then SO What??? Waht are you trying to compare here? Faith of employer? Colour of employer? Language of employer? Tell me what was your point?? Now lets come to the point if you wana go this way. Hazzrat mirza sahib was employ atleast for christian who are given book people. But Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said he was employee of Kafirs. Lets read this hadieth "I worked for as a sheppard for Kuffars on some Krat"(bukhari kitabul ajareh chap raai-ulgunum vol.2 p21) I gave you this example Not to give any perference nouzubillah to Hazzrat Mirza sahib Over Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) But to tell you when write THINK before that. Take exmple from RUMY at least. Now he does not even show of himself on this page. Tell him come back I won't bother him MUCH! Anyhow I am sure you are happy now. I know what will be your answer "Liar, Munafiq, Kazib, this, that" Isn't???? Go ahead!
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 23:52:19 (EST)

DEAR WARRAICH ! What a Hanky Panky You started? This biggest Alegation to Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani is That He was Liar, Hypocrite and Enemy of Islam. Would you please prove that this alligation is not correct. But Talk with me with reference and No Hanky Panky As your elders did. I proved it that He was a liar and Hypocrite. His enmity with Islam is obvious. If you need refernce again I can provide here. When It had been proved that Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani was Liar, Hypocrite and agent of Enemies of Islam then no more signs are needed. Don't confuse the truth with lies. And For your information I have read your this Question- Answer book written by your pope ALKAZIB Mirza Tahir Qadiani. This book is full of Bullshit. May ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 23:47:09 (EST)

Dear Readers! Regarding to `question - answer of Mr. Waraich (dated 16 Nov. 97) I want to remove some confusions. As he didn't mention the name of "someone" in question. And in answer the names of KAFIRS (Naooz billah) and father in law of Hazzarat Mosses AS. Therefore it was necessary to remove these confusions from readers head. My dear readers Father in law of Hazzarat Mosses AS was Prophet Hazzarat Shoaib AS. The names of Employer of Hazzarat Muhammad SAW were Hazzarat Halima (His Nanny), Hazzarat Abi Talib (His Uncle) and Hazzarat Khadija tul Kubra (His wife and Our holy spiritual mother) Now I tell you who is SOMEONE in question. Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani was paid agent of British. His duties were to confuse the Muslims in concept of Prophethood. And to make the soil smooth for British's. Mirza KAZIB himself wrote it in his writings. He said " From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age , I have been engaged , with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love & goodwill & sympathy for the British government and to obliterate the Idea of JEHAD from the hearts of Stupid (Muslims)." (Roohani Khazain vol 13, P.350) Then he said "… For the sake of British Government I have published & distributed 50,000, 00 leaflets in this country (India) and Other Islamic countries (against JEHAD)…. The result is that Hundreds of thousand of people have given up their filthy ideas about JEHAD."(Letter to the British government by Mirza KAZIB . TABLIGH - E- RISALAT vol 6 p.65) Then he confessed "…. And I know these literature have affected people in this country as well and those who have taken oath with me, They have formed a JAMMAT (Ahmadiyya) whose hearts are filled with true benevolence of this (British) government…And they are heartily willing to lay down their lives for the (British) government." ( Roohani Khazain vol 5. Aina - e- kamalat - e- Islam p 547) Dear readers now you can conclude who was who. And as I told you early that these Mirza's can do any disgrace of anyone including ALLAH and His holy prophets just for that LIAR and MUNAFIQ (hypocrite) Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. May ALLAH give them Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC PAKISTAN - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 23:32:43 (EST)

Question: Mirza sahib has written in Haqikatul-wahi that Allah will fotbid(or Hujj will be stop) pillgremage to Mecca in his time. Answer: Abosolute Lie: If Any son of the women is able to show this statement in any book of Hazzrat Mirza sahib he/she whatever would required, will get it. Now, The fact is that Hazzrat Mirza sahib has written in Haqikatil-wahi that it is written in many Hadiethes that when Masih-e-moud will come, "Hujj will stop for a period of time". In addition Hazoor saying "Thus in my time when there was a serious plag, the Hujj was stoped for one year in 1899 TO 1900" Hazzrat Mirza sahib never claimed that the dutty of hujj is ambolished (see, haqikatul-wahi,p198). Now I follow A quotaion of Hazzrat Mirza sahib. "whomsoever of you is alligeble for Hujj, let him go therin, and (he/she) must do so"(kasti-e-Noh, p14) Those who raise this alligation they must read this hadieth of (kunzul-aamal, vol2,p13) says "la taqumo-us-sa-a-to hutta la u-hijo-L baita rwaho ubuu ya-ala walhkemo"
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega City, - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 23:13:19 (EST)

Thanks for exposing the Ahmadiyats. What a shame. They are buying tickets to Hell for free. May Allah (SWT) be pleased with your efforts in bringing the facts about Mirzaees.
Abdul Gaffar Sheikh <sansha@rocketmail.com>
Toronto, ON Canada - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 18:54:19 (EST)

Mr. Waraich (MURTADD) What a shameful jab done. Right now I can imagine you burning in the HELL fire along with MIRZA KAZIB (WITH YOUR SHIT IN HIS MOUTH & HIS SHIT IN YOURS). How dare you compare a KAZIB, LIAR and MURTADD with our Beloved Prophets (PBUT). Waraich(Murtadd) I just want you to study the life of MIRZA(KAZIB) what was his background, What a big LIAR he was, and HOW DID HE DIE (WITH SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) and who was the one who moved his stinking dead body from the place he died and after how many days? Who made HIS (MIRZA MURTADD'S) JANAZA Prayer? Can you answer that?
Jamal Blouch <>
Karachi, PK - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 15:48:52 (EST)

Mr. Waraich (MURTADD) What a shameful jab done. Right now I can imagine you burning in the HELL fire along with MIRZA KAZIB (SHIT IN HIS MOUTH). How dare you compare a KAZIB, LIAR and MURTADD with our Beloved Prophets (PBUT). Waraich(Murtadd) I just want you to study the life of MIRZA(KAZIB) what was his background, What a big LIAR he was, and HOW DID HE DIE (WITH SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) and who was the one who moved his stinking dead body from the place he died and after how many days? Who made HIS (MIRZA MURTADD'S) JANAZA Prayer? Can you answer that?
Jamal Blouch <>
Karachi, PK - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 15:30:32 (EST)

Mr. Waraich (MURTADD) What a shameful jab done. Right now I can imagine you burning in the HELL fire along with MIRZA KAZIB (SHIT IN HIS MOUTH). How dare you compare a KARIB, LIAR and MURTADD with our Beloved Prophets (PBUT). Waraich(Murtadd) I just want you to study the life of MIRZA(KAZIB) what was his background, What a big LIAR he was, and HOW DID HE DIE (WITH SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) and who was the one who moved his stinking dead body from the place he died and after how many days? Who made HIS (MIRZA MURTADD'S) JANAZA Prayer? Can you answer that?
Jamal Blouch <>
Karachi, PK - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 15:29:19 (EST)

The difference between non-Ahmadi & Ahmadi's is pretty obvious here.You just keep putting blames and we keep following the path of God.
Fayyaz <fqureshi@sirsyed.ssuet.edu.pk>
Karachi, Pakistan - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 11:45:51 (EST)

Dear A Waraich: What a terrible job you qadianis have in hand to justify Alkazib Mirza Ghulam as Prophet. Lets go back to Mirza's revelation 'Tichi Tichi'. You said Mirza never claimed he was an angel but he seems to be an angel. Mirza claimed prophethood but he was not sure either it was an angel or not. This clearly shows nature of his Alham. He could not even tell that whoever was visiting him was an angel or not. That's how ibless leads the people like Mirza astray. My beloved last prophet's (SAW) revelations was Quran. Look at the language, the thunder of its words. It gets absorb in the heart and soul. And here is alkazib Mirza where look alike angel says Tichi Tichi the funny and weird words. BTW I know punjabi language very well, from where Mirza had drawn the meaning of these funny words as 'right on time'. I never heard these meanings of Tichi Tichi. Was Mirza added this in punjabi language after his fake revelation. And Mr. Wariach thanks for confirming that Mirza was employed by Brits, atleast one qadiani is bold enough to justify it. Fellows you have nothing else but arrogant ego to insist alkazib Mirza as prophet. May Allah has mercy on your state.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, Pakistan - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 03:35:40 (EST)

Question: A Alligation which is raised by many Non-Ahmadi friends that Mirza sahib was employee of someone? Answer: There is a hadieth of Bukhari Where Hazzrat Mohammad peace be upon him said "I used to work as sheppard for Kafirs on some Kirat(bukhari kitabul-aljarah, chap.raiulgunum vol.2) p21) And also Quran says that Hazzrat Moses used to work for his father in Law.
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega City, - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 00:15:41 (EST)

Qadiani Buster: I am following your writtings, Every time you change the name of the place where you live. I am wondering wheather your mother changes your fathers like this too??? Or who knows your father was a human or a Bull ??? Anyway do you have human head?? Or everything your down is similar to bull's baby??And other thing, Are you a male baby Or female. Now tell me your mother got prgnant by which type of Bull?? Did that Bull filled all holes of your mother?? I mean mouth Too?? And two bottom one too go baby! ask your mother how did it tasted? And what about your sisters. I guess they must be making happy all the bulls of each town where you lived. And also their tight pussies were full of taste: Do you SUCK Your sisters pussy?? O I am sorry!! you said you don't taste your sisters pussy, BUT DID SUCKED MOTHER's Pussy?? Is it very OPEN. Send your sister here If your sisters want to suck my DICK! My Dick Is Big! I am sure they will like it. As your mother used to ! I also drop lots of Hot CUM TOO. Ask your sisters wheather they want to drink it? I am sure they wont like less than RUH-AFZA. So sent them quickly, I am ready to blow up! Tell your sister to open her Mouth. And next time I will fill her both Holes. I promis. Now I want to see your reply? I give you my words, I will keep FUCKING your mother & sisters as long as you will be on this page. Let see who wins? Let me tell you about myself: My father was asshole, He used to FUCK women LIKe your MOTHER & SISTERS. I aint GOT any sister otherwise they might let you FUCK. But I am telling you chief, I am GONA Keep FUCKING you. And gona remain PAIN of Your ASS.
Mohammad Masih <<>>
Mombay, India - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 23:46:55 (EST)

Rumy: O.k So what??
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 23:12:57 (EST)

This message is for the "THE MURTADD" who called himself "Qadiani Muslim". Gentleman Murtadd: It is for your info that there is no such animal. There is only & only ONE kind of Muslim. The One Who Believe in ALLAH (SWT) and the Last Prophethood of PROPHET MOHAMMAD(SAW) and also who denounse the MIRZA (KAZIB) Ghulam Qadiani. and also who believe that MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani was biggest liar, who died in utter disgrace (With SHIT in his mouth) and anything MIRZA(KAZIB) spoke was a LIE BUT A LIE. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. If you believe in what I said then I will consider you a muslim otherwise you are a MURTADD. and that is the VERDICT given by all the MUSLIM ULEMA all over the WORLD.
Qadiani Buster <QadianiBuster@Shitty Mirza.com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 17:29:00 (EST)

To all Readers: The writings of some of the nonAhmadis is highly derogatory. The writers, apparently feel that they can get away with any allegation and fabrications against Ahmadis and their leaders, persecute them, destroy their property and mosques at will. They think they are strong Ahmadis are weak and unable to pay in the same coin. Let me tell all these arrogant people. Ahmadis are not physically weak. They are not worse off financially as compared with non-Ahmadi Muslims, they are not any less educated and they are not any less well off in anyother wordly matters. They are weak because they have decided to be on the side of Allah and His Prophet. Just like Hazrzt Umar became weak the day he decided to accept Islam. His friends and relatives who used to respect him and bow before him hounded him out of his home town. The same applies to all the Sahaba Ikram of Hazrzt Muhammad (SAS). Many of them were persecuted after they accepted Islam whereas before accepting Islam they were the envy of the people. You nonAhmadis should take no comfort in persecuting Ahmadis if you have any respect for history and the verses of Quran in sura Muhammad. Allah does not forsake those who are insulted, persecuted and tortured for Him. Please nonAhmadis fear Allah because He is the strongest. He has destroyed many people before you who were much stronger. (Honestly I don't find any strength in you. You are unable to defend yourself against any race/religion in this world. Hindus, Jews, Christians and even Buddhs are on your throat and you can't shake them off). Allah's hand is strong. It is He who is protecting Ahmadiyyat from you. Do whatever you like, you cannot harm this tree because it is He who planted it. Your afforts to persecute us, tell lies, terrible lies for which you are able to offer no proof, against Allah's messenger will pass. These are tests for Ahmadis. They will bear them as did Sahaba (RA). But beware, if you don't change Allah's hand will crush you. He will help Ahmadis from where you cannot imagine. I pray that He gives you long life and you see for yourself who Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was and what He stood forVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 12:38:06 (EST)

DEAR READERS ! Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani 's view about Hadith. He wrote " The basis of my claims is not Hadiths but Quran and Revealation which comes to me. Yes, in support, we present those Hadiths who are in accordance with Holy Quran and which do not contradict my Revelations. And Other Hadiths we throw them like waste paper. " (Roohani Khazain vol 19 p. 140)
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 09:56:14 (EST)

Ayesha & PUNDIT: How r u Sir? You said in your writting "you are a real muslim" what does that mean? Which one is real? And which one is fake? You want me to name 72? SHAME!
Ahmadi muslim <real ahmadi muslim>
Rabwah, - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 09:29:27 (EST)

ATTN: So-Called ALI at Halifax: ALLAH (SWT) is Most Gracious & Merciful. Of course HE Is Gona answer my Questions and HE already did. How? HE gave me this Brain to differentiate between RIGHT and WRONG. By the Grace of HIS Mercy I know that through my Heart & soul that MIRZA (KAZIB) is biggest LIAR who died in DISGRACE,(With Shit in his mouth) even the "BHUNGIS" were not willing to pick up his body. This is all on the record you cannot deny that. Isn't that enough to understand that what a big Liar MIRZA KAZIB WAS? Of Course ALLAH (SWT) give us examples right in front of our eyes, but some people whoes Hearts has been sealed and whoes vision has been blocked, they will never understand. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. Ali (Qadiani) still it is time for you to repent with your heart, and stop following and defending a KAZIB and LIAR and the BIGGEST MURTADD. Also accepting your defeat means you accepted the fact from your heart but from your mouth you did not. That is a sign of hypocracy. and that is a TRADE MARK OF MIRZA (KAZIB).
QADIANI BUSTER <>
London, UK - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 09:11:41 (EST)

I really apprecite your efforts in bashing these qaidanis. They are really manhoos for all their terrible beliefs. If I had not come across this page of yours I would not have realised exactly what this religion is. thankyou for enlightening me. In fact I would make it a point of informing all my MUSLIM friends about this page. To close my comments all I can say is that this religion with all its obsecenities is closer to HINDUISM in all its glory. Allah Hafiz (PS. I am a MUSLIM the real one)
Ayesha Pandit <ayeshap@cyber.net.pk>
Karachi, Sind Pakistan - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 06:53:07 (EST)

Rumy & Other non-ahmadi brothers: Earlier you people were saying Shia Sunni Are brother brother,But what is happening in news. Please read those news which are underneeth my writting. Now, Rumy for God sack do not say that Ahmadi are responsible for all these problems in Pakistan.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 00:27:26 (EST)

QUESTION: Hazzrat Mirza sahib has comitted blesphomy of Hazzrat Fatma(rz) by saying that he put his head on her Lap. ANSWER: Note: reader must understand that the question is in non-ahmadies trnscript. Now to clarify this alligation I am Quoting the real wording of Hazzrat Mirza sahib. Hazoor saying that I have seen in Keshuf :"that Hazzrat punjtun Sayyadul-Konan Hussain, Fatma-tul-alzuhra And Ali Rz have come. And Hazzrat Fatma rz put this humble's head on her lap with in colour of extreme Love & Sympathy... Thus in this humble, One part is Israeli & One part is Fatmi"(Tuhfa Golriya page 30). Now what Hazzrat Mirza sahib is saying that he is from projeny of Hazzrat Fatma(rz) And Also there is wording of (madrana utufat)is prsented. One another place Hazzrat Mirza sahib said " in one Keshuf...My head is on the Lap of Hazzrat Fatma rz like sons"(nazu-lul-Masih p49). Another One "alike mother of mercy"(braheen-e-Ahmadiyya vol4. p503. Now I challenge these mullans to translate for me this keshuf of Hazzrat Abdul Qadir Jillani(rh)It is written in (qwaidul jwahir P.57, Verse # 8) Hazzrat Abdul Qadir Jillani (rh) said "I have seen in dream that I am in The Lap of Hazzrat Aisha(rz) and I am sucking her right breast And then I pulled out her left breast And sucked, Then Right on Hazzrat prophet Mohammad peace be upon him entered". Now I asked these non-Ahmadies to tell me, wasn't IT was blesphoming of Hazzrat Aisha(rz)????? It IS Written in your Own books, which ARE vey Authentic according to you & you give refrence against ahmadiyyat from this same book. As you all people know that there were no children from Hazzrat Aisha (rz), And Hazzrat Abdul Qadir Jillani was not from her projeny(had no blood relationship) BUT Hazzrat Mirza sahib WAS from the projeny of Hazzrat Fatma(rz) Therefore, he DID become her Son.
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega City, - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 00:15:19 (EST)

Brother Qadiani Buster: THank you for your kind Love for me!! Pray to Allah, Allah will answer your questions. I can-not answer your questions because I am a weak human. Allah Knows in deep heart of people. Brother: You Won And I accept my defeat!!. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 23:21:03 (EST)

This Message is for so-called ALI (The Murtadd) and illigitimate kid of MIRZA (KaziB). Oh ALI (The Murtadd) answer my question. Can You answer this simple question? WHY DID THE MIRZA (KAZIB) DIED WITH SHIT IN HIS MOUTH? and WHY DID HIs BODY START STINKING AFTER HIS MISERABLE DEATH? WHY DID THOSE "BHANGIS" had to cover their nose before they picked up "MIRZA KAZIB'S" STINKING BODY? and Why Did MIRZA(KAZIB) said that he used to have "MENSES" just like women, whereas his ass was bleeding because of his piles. ALI (Helifax) , I am one of your neighbor, if you want I can walk over to you to get these answers, if you feel ashamed to answer these questions publically.
Qadiani Buster <Mirzai@Shitty Mirza.com>
Helifax, CA xxx - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 21:16:22 (EST)

This Message is for so-called ALI (The Murtadd) and illigitimate kid of MIRZA (KaziB). Oh ALI (The Murtadd) answer my question. Can You answer this simple question? WHY DID THE MIRZA (KAZIB) DIED WITH SHIT IN HIS MOUTH? and WHY DID HID BODY START STINKING AFTER HIS MISERABLE DEATH? WHY DID THOSE "BHANGIS" had to cover their nose before they picked up "MIRZA KAZIB'S" STINKING BODY? and Why Did MIRZA(KAZIB) said that he used to have "MENSES" just like women, whereas his ass was bleeding because of his piles. ALI (Helifax) , I am one of your neighbor, if you want I can walk over to you to get these answers, if you feel ashamed to answer these questions publically.
Qadiani Buster <Mirzai@Shitty Mirza.com>
Helifax, CA xxx - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 20:34:02 (EST)

Rumy: You have again touched those same alligation, only difference was that you admitted that water in your nee is dried. First Mirsa Sahib's language: Prophet Mohammad (saw) was mercy for all people(Al-Anbiyya 108). Let see what holly prophet Mohammad (saw) said to his enemies. O Allah must CURSE on Qurash (prophet of Allah said this three times)Then prophet Mohammadsaw said O Allah CURSE on Ubu-Jehul, O Allah CURSE on Utba-bin-Rabiyya & Shiba bin Rabiyya"(bukhari kitabul-slat, vol 1.p38) Read another one: Hazzrat Ubu-Hurra relates "Whenever prophet of Allah stood from raku with sama-Allah he also used to say Lakulhumed, O Allah PUNISH tribe of Muzer, and let them face strong droughts alike on people of Yusof"(bukhari, chap.yahudi p97). Lets read another hadieth, this is an incident when when prophet of Allah sent his companions for preaching, but they were killed, only one handicap companion was left. "Prophet of Allah CURSED on the trib of Raul, Zekwan, Bani-alhyan & bani-Usya for 40 days"(bukhari, vol. 2 p45,46) read another one from (bukhari, vol.1 p97)"Prophet of Allah in each pray after saying Sama-Allah used to pray for muslims & CURSED on non-believers". Now lets read from Quran "Those amongst the Israel who disbelieved were CURSED by the tounge of David, and Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobayed and used to transgress".(Al-Maidah 79). Lets read another One: Varily, those who disbelieved from among the people of the book and the idolaters, will be in the fire of Hell, abiding therein. THEY ARE THE WORST OF CREATURES"(Al-Bayyinah 7) Second: Mirza sahib said he will write 50 vols of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya(Ruhani Khazia vol 21.p9)But Mirza sahib did not write 50 vols. WHY? First of All mirza sahib never claimed that it was his Alham that he will write 50. vols. It was his WISH(Arada).Now if Hazzrat Mirzasahib could not write 50 vols, THEN SO WHat!! If The ALham of Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) was not fullfuled, when he said that Allah told him that he(prophet of Allah) will go to Hujj in the Year of Hujj, But he could Not Go. NOw does it shows that nouzubillah prophet Mohammad (saw) lied??? Another one When Prophet Yunus told his people that Allah has told him that this village of Nanava will distroyed. Did It??????So I am sure Rumy you will think nouzubillah prophet Yunus Lied.Now anyone could understand that when ALHAM of these two grat prophet was not fullfiled THEN so what!If Hazzrat Mirza sahib's Wish (arada)was not fulfiled. Read this hadieth, when prophet Mohammad (saw) went with prophet Moses to Allah in order to reduce the number of prayers, Allah said "Take them, these five are fifty"(bukhari, kitabul-slat, first hadieth vol.1 p50)This hadieth is also in (mashkatul kitab)says "these are five prayers each one is equal to Ten" Now last alliagtion: HAzzrat Mirza sahib has already explain this alligation that learning Quran in Nazra And Understanding Quran with detail is different. Hazzrat Mirza sahib never denyed the fact that he did not read Nazra quran. What he claimed that no human teacher has taught him the meanin, And the deep subjects of holly quran.It is only taught to him by Allah. Rumy may Allah be with you. Note: TO ALL AHMADI BROTHERS: What ever I am writting to Mr.Rumy I know the answers of these arguments that I have raised with him. I just want to tell this boy, Admit taht prophets of Allah DO CURSE & speak against the enemies. BUT after a Limit. Because to speak this kind of language becomes necessary to use for that A "PARTICULAR" TIME & SUBJECT"
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 18:53:54 (EST)

PAKISTANI MULLAHS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS: YOUR SHOES ON YOUR HEAD: Pakistan OSAC Country Security Report This report is provided by the Overseas Security Advisory Council (OSAC), in cooperation with the US State Dept. The services of various private news agencies, as well as other government sources are utilized. Owens OnLine distributes this report as a convenience to its members and is not responsible for content. Accessed through Owens OnLine (R) at ww.owens.com _______________________________________________________________________________ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/23/1997 SUBJECT: SECTARIAN KILLINGS IN MULTAN DATE OF ENTRY: 07/24/1997 MULTAN SIX SHIA MUSLIMS WERE KILLED YESTERDAY IN TWO SEPARATE ATTACKS IN PUNJAB. IN THE FIRST ATTACK IN MULTAN, A SHIA ACTIVIST CHAUDURY MUKHTIAR GHALO AND THREE FRIENDS WERE MOWED DOWN BY A FUSILLADE OF GUNFIRE FROM TWO ASSAILANTS ON A MOTORCYCLE. GHALO SURVIVED, BUT HIS THREE FRIENDS WERE KILLED. GHALO EARLIER HAD BEEN THE ONLY SURVIVOR IN A MASSACRE OF 18 SHIA MUSLIMS IN A RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION NEAR HIS HOME LAST AUGUST. IN THE SECOND INCIDENT, ANOTHER SHIA ACTIVIST, MANZOOR HUSSAIN, DIED INSTANTLY IN HIS HERBAL MEDICINE SHOP, WHEN HE WAS HIT BY SEVERAL ROUNDS FROM AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON FIRED BY AN ASSAILANT ON A MOTORCYCLE. A SPOKESMAN FOR THE SHIA TEHRIK-JAFARIA-PAKISTAN (TJP) BLAMED THE MILITANT SUNNI ORGANIZATION, LASHKAR-I-JHANGVI (LIJ) FOR THE INCIDENTS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/23/1997 SUBJECT: HARKIN-WARNER AMENDMENT DATE OF ENTRY: 07/24/1997 WASHINGTON UNDER NEW LEGISLATION REFERRED TO AS THE HARKIN-WARNER AMENDMENT, THE UNITED STATES HAS UNDERTAKEN THREE MEASURES AIMED AT INCREASED COOPERATION WITH PAKISTAN. THE FIRST IS THAT US COMPANIES DOING BUSINESS IN PAKISTAN MAY BE EXTENDED INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE US OVERSEAS PRIVATE INVESTMENT COR- PORATION (OPIC). THE SECOND IS THAT PAKISTANI ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL WILL NOW BE ELIGIBLE FOR PARTICIPATION IN US MILITARY TRAINING PROGRAMS. THE THIRD IS THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION WILL BE AUTHORIZED TO PROVIDE PAKISTAN WITH ASSISTANCE WHICH WILL FOSTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/23/1997 SUBJECT: SHIA ACTIVIST ASSASSINATED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/23/1997 LAHORE GUNMEN ASSASSINATED A SHIA ACTIVIST EARLIER TODAY, ACCORDING TO REUTERS. MANZOOR HUSSAIN WAS KILLED IN HIS HERBAL MEDICINE SHOP WHEN TWO ASSAILANTS RIDING A MOTORCYLE FIRED SEVERAL ROUNDS FROM AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON. THE INCIDENT TOOK PLACE IN SHEIKHPURA, JUST NORTH OF LAHORE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/22/1997 SUBJECT: SHI'A STUDENTS DETAINED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/23/1997 LAHORE REUTERS REPORTED THAT 200 STUDENTS FROM A SHI'ITE MUSLIM SCHOOL IN LAHORE WERE DETAINED BY POLICE IN AN APPARENT CRACKDOWN ON SECTARIANISM. THE ACTING PRINCIPAL OF THE JAMIA-AL-MUNTZAR SCHOOL SAID POLICE RAIDED THE GROUNDS EARLY IN THE MORNING AND TOOK AWAY 200 SENIOR STUDENTS, FIVE TEACHERS AND 13 OTHER STAFF MEMBERS BESIDES SEIZING SOME LICENSED WEAPONS. POLICE REFUSED TO CONFIRM THE ARRESTS, BUT WITNESSES SAID A POLICE FORCE WAS PRESENT AROUND THE SCHOOL AND ONLY VERY YOUNG STUDENTS WERE NOT TAKEN AWAY BY THEM. MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED THIS YEAR IN A SURGE OF VIOLENCE IN THE PUNJAB PROVINCE BETWEEN RIVAL MILITANT GROUPS FROM THE MAJORITY SUNNI AND THE MINORITY SHI'ITE SECTS OF ISLAM. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/20/1997 SUBJECT: SECTARIAN KILLINGS IN PUNJAB DATE OF ENTRY: 07/21/1997 LAHORE FIVE PERSONS WERE MURDERED YESTERDAY IN THE LATEST ROUND OF SECTARIAN SHIA- SUNNI KILLINGS IN PUNJAB, PAKISTAN'S MOST POPULOUS PROVINCE. FOUR PEOPLE WERE GUNNED DOWN IN FAISALABAD, AND ONE IN LAHORE. ONE OF THE VICTIMS IN FAISALABAD WAS AN ACTIVIST IN THE SIPAH SAHABA PAKISTAN (SSP), A RADICAL SUNNI ORGANIZATION. HE WAS KILLED AS HE SAT IN HIS BOOKSHOP IN THE CITY'S CHINIOT BAZAAR. THE OTHER VICTIMS IN FAISALABAD WERE THE OWNER OF A TEXTILE MILL AND TWO PERSONS MEETING WITH HIM IN THE COMPANY OFFICES IN THE TATA BAZAAR AREA OF THE CITY. FOUR OTHER PERSONS ATTENDING THE MEETING WERE WOUNDED IN THE ENCOUNTER. IN BOTH INCIDENTS, THE KILLERS ARRIVED ON MOTOR- BIKES, AND WHILE ONE STOOD GUARD OUTSIDE THE PREMISES, THE OTHER ENTERED THE BUILDING AND SHOT DOWN HIS VICTIMS IN A HAIL OF GUNFIRE, USING AN AK-47. IN LAHORE, THE CARETAKER OF A SUNNI SHRINE WAS KILLED BY UNIDENTIFIED GUNMEN, PROBABLY AFFILIATED WITH THE TEHRIK JAFARIA PAKISTAN (TJP), A RADICAL SHIA ORGANIZATION, IN REVENGE FOR THE EARLIER ASSASSINATION OF SHIAS. ABOUT 120 PERSONS HAVE DIED IN SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN PUNJAB SO FAR THIS YEAR. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/16/1997 SUBJECT: SUNNI SHOPOWNER MURDERED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/16/1997 LAHORE A SUNNI SHOPOWNER WAS ASSASSINATED EARLIER TODAY IN LAHORE. RASHID AHMED, THE PROPRIETOR OF A STATIONERY SHOP, AND ONE OF HIS EMPLOYES WERE SHOT TO DEATH BY TWO MEN ON A MOTORCYCLE AS THEY OPENED THEIR STORE THIS MORNING. A THIRD EMPLOYEE WAS CRITICALLY WOUNDED. AHMED WAS A WELL-KNOWN SUPPORTER OF THE SIPAH-I-SAHABA PAKISTAN (SSP), A MILITANT SUNNI ORGANIZATION. AHMED'S BROTHER HAD BEEN ASSASSINATED LAST MONTH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/16/1997 SUBJECT: TWO MORE SUNNI MOSLEMS KILLED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/16/1997 LAHORE REUTERS REPORTED THAT UNIDENTIFIED GUNMEN ON A MOTORCYCLE SHOT DEAD TWO SUNNI MOSLEMS AND WOUNDED ANOTHER IN LAHORE ON WEDNESDAY IN WHAT POLICE SAID APPEARED TO BE ANOTHER SECTARIAN ATTACK. THE VICTIMS INCLUDED THE OWNER OF A STATIONARY SHOP AND ONE OF HIS CLERKS WHO DIED AT THE SCENE WHILE THEY WERE OPENING THE STORE IN THE MORNING. ANOTHER CLERK WAS CRITICALLY WOUNDED. ONE OF THE VICTIMS WAS A WELL-KNOWN SUPPORTER OF THE MILITANT SUNNI SIPAH-I-SAHABA PAKISTAN (SSP) GROUP -- A MONTH AGO HIS BROTHER WAS ALSO GUNNED DOWN IN LAHORE. THERE WAS NO IMMEDIATE CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SHOOTING, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE THE LATEST IN A SERIES OF ATTACKS FOR WHICH RIVAL MILITANT GROUPS OF THE MAJORITY SUNNI AND THE MINORITY SHI'ITE SECTS BLAME EACH OTHER. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/15/1997 SUBJECT: MILITANT SUNNI GUNNED DOWN DATE OF ENTRY: 07/15/1997 LAHORE A MILITANT SUNNI ACTIVIST WAS GUNNED DOWN EARLIER TODAY IN THE LATEST INCIDENT OF SECTARIAN SHIA-SUNNI VIOLENCE IN PAKISTAN'S POPULOUS PUNJAB PROVINCE. HAJI MOHAMMED YUSEF, A LOCAL LEADER OF THE SIPAH SAHABA PAKISTAN (SSP), WAS KILLED BY TWO GUNMEN ON A MOTORCYCLE AS HE WENT TO A LOCAL MOSQUE FOR HIS MORNING PRAYERS IN THE CITY OF JHANG. OVER 100 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED SO FAR THIS YEAR, MOSTLY IN THE SELECTIVE ASSASSINATIONS THAT HAVE CHARACTERIZED SHIA-SUNNI VIOLENCE IN PUNJAB. OVER 170 PERSONS WERE KILLED IN SIMILAR VIOLENCE IN 1996, ACCORDING TO REUTERS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/12/1997 SUBJECT: BOMB DESTROYS POLICE STATION DATE OF ENTRY: 07/13/1997 RAWALPINDI A POWERFUL BOMB RIPPED THROUGH THE NEW TOWN POLICE STATION IN RAWALPINDI EARLY SATURDAY MORNING. SEVEN POLICEMEN AND THREE CONFINED PRISONERS WERE INJURED. OTHER VICTIMS WERE FEARED TO BE BURIED UNDER THE DEBRIS OF THE BUILDING. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/11/1997 SUBJECT: POWER SHUTDOWNS PROTESTED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/11/1997 PESHAWAR DEMONSTRATORS NUMBERING ABOUT 800 MARCHED IN A PROCESSION YESTERDAY, PROTEST- ING POWER SHUTDOWNS AND BLACKOUTS IN PESHAWAR. THE PROCESSION TURNED VIOLENT WHEN IT REACHED THE LOCAL OFFICE OF THE WATER AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF PAKISTAN (WAPDA), AS DEMONSTRATORS TRASHED AND SET THE PREMISES ON FIRE. THE PROTESTERS ALSO BEAT UP WAPDA EMPLOYEES, BUT THE EXECUTIVE ENGINEER ESCAPED BY HIDING IN A NEIGHBORING HOUSE. POLICE CONFRONTED THE RIOTERS WITH TEAR GAS. IN THE ENSUING MELEE, ONE PERSON WAS KILLED. OTHER DEMON- STRATIONS AGAINST POWER OUTAGES (IN THE MIDST OF A TORRIDLY HOT SUMMER) HAVE OCCURRED, BUT WITHOUT FATALITIES, IN OTHER CITIES OF NORTHWEST FRONTIER PROVINCE (NWFP), INCLUDING DERA ISMAIL KHAN, ABBOTTABAD AND MANSHERA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/11/1997 SUBJECT: MORE KILLINGS IN KARACHI DATE OF ENTRY: 07/11/1997 KARACHI GUNMEN OF UNKNOWN AFFILIATION ATTACKED THE CAR OF A POLICE OFFICIAL IN KARACHI, KILLING HIS TWO SONS, BODYGUARD AND DRIVER. THE FOUR PERSONS WERE SLAIN AS THEY WAITED IN A POLICE CAR BEFORE GOING HOME, AFTER ATTENDING MOSQUE SERVICES EARLIER TODAY, ACCORDING TO REUTERS. THE VICTIMS WERE THE SONS OF DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT OF POLICE AZIZUR REHMAN. ONE OF VICTIMS WAS HIMSELF A SUBINSPECTOR IN THE POLICE FEDERAL INVESTIGATION AGENCY, WHILE THE BODYGUARD AND DRIVER WERE POLICE CONSTABLES. REHMANM, IN AN INTERVIEW AT THE HOSPITAL WHERE THE BODIES OF HIS SONS WERE TAKEN, ACCUSED TERRORISTS OF THE MOHAJIR QUAMI MOVEMENT (MQM) OF CARRYING OUT THE ATTACK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/08/1997 SUBJECT: SECTARIAN ARRESTS DATE OF ENTRY: 07/10/1997 RADIO PAKISTAN REPORTED THAT POLICE ARRESTED 1 SUNNI AND 8 SHIA ACTIVISTS FOR INVOLVEMENT IN THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THAT HAS PLAGUED PAKISTAN. POLICE ARRESTED EIGHT MEMBERS OF THE SHIA TEHRIK-I-JAFRIA, AFTER RAIDING THE PARTY'S LAHORE OFFICE. AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND "SECRET DOCUMENTS" WERE ALSO DETAINED. ALSO REPORTEDLY ARRESTED WAS MOHAMMAD NAEEM KUNAIN, IN TOBA TEK SINGH. KUNAIN WAS INVOLVED IN THE MILITANT SUNNI GROUP LASHKAR-I-JHANGVI. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/07/1997 SUBJECT: MOTORCYCLE ASSASSINATION DATE OF ENTRY: 07/07/1997 LAHORE REUTERS REPORTED THAT TWO UNIDENTIFIED GUNMEN ON A MOTORCYCLE ASSASSINATED A LOCAL LEADER OF A SHI'ITE MOSLEM GROUP IN LAHORE ON MONDAY. THE VICTIM WAS KILLED WHILE HE WAS WALKING ALONG A LOCAL STREET AT ABOUT 8:00 A.M. (LOCAL TIME) IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF THE PUNJAB PROVINCIAL CAPITAL. THE MURDERED MAN WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE LOCAL BRANCH OF AN UNIDENTIFIED SHI'ITE ORGANIZATION. MORE THAN 110 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED THIS YEAR IN A LONG-RUNNING FEUD BETWEEN MILITANT SUNNI AND SHI'ITE MOSLEM GROUPS IN PAKISTAN. POLICE ROUNDED UP SCORES OF RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS IN PUNJAB PROVINCE LAST WEEK IN AN EFFORT TO CURB SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/05/1997 SUBJECT: WEDDING ATTACKED; TWO KILLED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/06/1997 KARACHI REUTERS REPORTED THAT TWO GUNMEN FIRED ON A WEDDING PARTY IN KARACHI, KILLING AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOY AND THE GROOM'S BROTHER. POLICE SAID TWO YOUNG MEN ENTERED A MARRIAGE HALL ON SATURDAY NIGHT ARMED WITH AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE AND SPRAYED BULLETS AT A STAGE WHERE THE BRIDEGROOM AND HIS RELATIVES WERE SITTING. SIX PEOPLE WERE HIT. NO ONE CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACK AND THERE WAS NO WORD ON THE MOTIVE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/05/1997 SUBJECT: KARACHI UTILITY BOSS SHOT DATE OF ENTRY: 07/05/1997 KARACHI, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT SHAHID HAMID, THE HEAD OF KARACHI'S ELECTRIC UTILITY, WAS SHOT DEAD WITH HIS DRIVER AND BODYGUARD, OUTSIDE HIS UPSCALE HOME IN KARACHI. THE ATTACK PROMPTED WORKERS AT THE KARACHI ELECTRIC SUPPLY CORPORATION (KESC) TO CLOSE DOWN THEIR OFFICES IN PROTEST. THE GUNMEN ESCAPED BY CAR, AND THERE HAS BEEN NO CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY. KESC HAD BEEN UNDER FIRE FROM THE PUBLIC RECENTLY, AS A RESULT OF FREQUENT POWER CUTS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/02/1997 SUBJECT: TWO POLICEMEN KILLED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/03/1997 KARACHI, PAKISTAN LOCAL MEDIA REPORTED THAT TWO CONSTABLES OF KARACHI'S TAIMURIA POLICE STATION WERE KIDNAPPED AND KILLED IN THE SOUTHERN PORT CITY YESTERDAY. THEIR BODIES WERE LATER DUMPED NEAR THE POLICE STATION. TWO OTHER UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE, ONE OF WHOM WAS IN THE NAVY, WERE GUNNED DOWN IN ORANGI AND SHARIFABAD (NO FURTHER INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/02/1997 SUBJECT: KARACHI BUILDING COLLAPSES DATE OF ENTRY: 07/03/1997 KARACHI, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE ARE DEAD AND NINE INJURED AFTER A FOUR STORY BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION COLLAPSED IN KARACHI NORTH. RESCUE WORKERS SAID THAT AS MANY AS 45 LABORERS MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE BUILDING. THE COLLAPSE IS BEING BLAMED ON DEFECTIVE CONSTRUCTION AND STRUCTURAL MATERIALS, FOR WHICH THE PROJECT SUPERVISOR HAS BEEN ARRESTED. POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR THE ARCHITECT AND BUILDERS, AND MURDER CHARGES HAVE REPORTEDLY BEEN FILED AGAINST THEM. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 07/01/1997 SUBJECT: SECTARIAN VIOLENCE KILLS TWO DATE OF ENTRY: 07/01/1997 KHANEWAL REUTERS REPORTED THAT UNIDENTIFIED GUNMEN KILLED TWO PEOPLE, ONE OF THEM A PROMINENT SHI'ITE MOSLEM ACTIVIST, IN THE PAKISTANI TOWN OF KHANEWAL IN THE PUNJAB PROVINCE. THE SHI'ITE ACTIVIST WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE KHANEWAL BRANCH OF TEHRIK-I-JAFRIA PAKISTAN (TJP). HE WAS SHOT DEAD BY TWO ATTACKERS ON A MOTORCYCLE AS HE WAS SITTING ON A BENCH OUTSIDE A PHARMACY IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY. NO ONE (OR GROUP) HAS YET CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/30/1997 SUBJECT: JOURNALIST ARRESTED DATE OF ENTRY: 07/01/1997 AFP AND REUTERS REPORTED THAT A JOURNALIST WITH PAKISTAN'S URDU LANGUAGE DAILY MASHRIQ WAS FORMALLY ARRESTED, AFTER BEING DETAINED FOUR DAYS AGO, FOR ANTI-STATE ACTIVITIES. AUTHORITIES SAID HUMAYUN FAR, TAKEN INTO CUSTODY OUTSIDE HIS HOME AND NOT HEARD FROM SINCE, PASSED SENSITIVE DOCUMENTS ON TO FOREIGN SOURCES. REPORTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN PROTESTING FAR'S DETAINMENT AS A STRIKE AGAINST FREE PRESS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/30/1997 SUBJECT: BERSERK MAN KILLS 10 DATE OF ENTRY: 06/30/1997 HUSSAIN KOT REUTERS REPORTED THAT TEN PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND FOUR OTHERS INJURED IN PAKISTANI-HELD KASHMIR WHEN A MAN WENT ON A SHOOTING SPREE AFTER AN ARGUMENT WITH HIS NEPHEW ABOUT CUTTING DOWN A TREE. POLICE SAID THE SHOOTING TOOK PLACE LATE ON SATURDAY IN HUSSAIN KOT VILLAGE NEAR RAWALAKOT. EIGHT MEMBERS OF ONE FAMILY AND TWO MEN WHO TRIED TO MEDIATE THE QUARREL DIED IN THE INCIDENT. THE KILLER WAS IDENTIFIED AS AN AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT DRIVER. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/30/1997 SUBJECT: BOMB EXPLODES ON BUS DATE OF ENTRY: 06/30/1997 MOZA SHIRWAL REUTERS REPORTED THAT A BOMB EXPLODED IN A BUS NEAR SIALKOT IN PUNJAB, KILLING AT LEAST 8 PEOPLE AND INJURING 21 OTHERS. THE EXPLOSION OCCURRED AT 6:15 AM LOCAL AS THE BUS WAS TRAVELING TO SIALKOT; MANY OF THE PASSENGERS WERE DAY LABORERS. THERE WAS NO IMMEDIATE CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/29/1997 SUBJECT: MOSQUE ATTACK LEAVES 3 DEAD DATE OF ENTRY: 06/30/1997 LAHORE AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE AND REUTERS REPORTED THAT TWO MOTORCYCLE-RIDING GUNMEN OPENED FIRE ON THE CROWD AT A SUNNI MOSQUE, KILLING AT LEAST 3 AND INJURING 7 OTHERS. THE ATTACK CAME ONLY HOURS AFTER A SHI'ITE ACTIVIST WAS KILLED IN HIS SHOP BY UNIDENTIFIED ASSAILANTS. DS/DSS/ITA COMMENT: SHI'A VS SUNNI VIOLENCE HAS RIPPLED THROUGH PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. THE LATEST INCIDENTS -- PARTICULARLY THOSE DIRECTED AGAINST SHI'ITES -- HAVE RESULTED IN IRANIAN ACCUSATIONS OF AMERICAN COMPLICITY IN THE UNREST. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/28/1997 SUBJECT: BOMBING IN KARACHI DATE OF ENTRY: 06/28/1997 KARACHI A BOMB THROWN AT A HOUSE IN THE SHERABAD DISTRICT OF KARACHI EARLIER TODAY KILLED FOUR PERSONS, ACCORDING TO REUTERS. OF THE FOUR PERSONS KILLED, THREE WERE CHILDREN, AGED 7, 8, AND 12, WHO WERE PLAYING IN FRONT OF THE DWELLING. FIVE OTHER PERSONS WERE WOUNDED. NO GROUP HAS SO FAR CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE INCIDENT. THE DEATH TOLL DUE TO ASSORTED MAYHEM AND VIOLENCE IS GROWING STEADILY IN KARACHI. 120 PERSONS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ETHNIC, SECTARIAN OR POLITICAL RUBOUTS SO FAR THIS YEAR IN THE CITY. THIS IS IN COMPARISON WITH 500-800 KILLED IN 1996 AND OVER 2,000 IN 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/26/1997 SUBJECT: STRIKE RESULTS IN VIOLENCE DATE OF ENTRY: 06/26/1997 MUZAFFARABAD, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT TWO PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN PAKISTAN-RULED KASHMIR DURING A STRIKE CALLED BY THE ALL-JAMMU AND KASHMIR MUSLIM CONFERENCE (AJKMC). AN AJKMC WORKER WAS KILLED IN BAGH AFTER A CLASH BETWEEN AJKMC SUPPORTERS AND THOSE OF THE PAKISTAN PEOPLE'S PARTY (PPP). PPP EDUCATION MINISTER QAMAR ZAMAN DENIED THAT HIS PARTY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH, CLAIMING THE VIOLENCE WAS BETWEEN POLICE AND AJKMC DEMONSTRATORS. A WOMAN WAS SHOT DEAD IN POTHI WHEN POLICE FIRED SHOTS IN THE AIR TO DISPERSE PROTESTERS AND ACCIDENTALLY HIT HER, AS SHE WAS STANDING ON HER ROOF. AJKMC OFFICIALS SAID THE STRIKE WAS CALLED TO PROTEST STATE PRIME MINISTER SULTAN MAHMOOD'S MISRULE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/26/1997 SUBJECT: FIVE DIE IN KARACHI VIOLENCE DATE OF ENTRY: 06/26/1997 KARACHI REUTERS REPORTED THAT FIVE PEOPLE WERE KILLED OVERNIGHT IN SEPARATE SHOOTINGS IN PAKISTAN'S TROUBLED SOUTHERN PORT CITY OF KARACHI. THE DEATHS FOLLOWED WEDNESDAY'S EXECUTION-STYLE SHOOTING OF FIVE MEN WHO WERE DRIVEN AT GUNPOINT TO THE GHAZIABAD AREA OF ORANGI EXTENSION IN DISTRICT WEST AND GUNNED DOWN. THREE OF THE VICTIMS WERE KILLED IN DISTRICT CENTRAL'S NAZIMABAD AREA. POLICE REPORTED ANOTHER BODY OF A YOUNG MAN, WITH SIGNS OF TORTURE AND BULLET WOUNDS, WAS FOUND AT PEERABAD IN THE GULBAHAR AREA OF DISTRICT CENTRAL. THE LAST MAN WAS KILLED OUTSIDE HIS HOME IN THE KORANGI AREA OF DISTRICT EAST. POLICE STATED THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW THE MOTIVES FOR ANY OF THE KILLINGS OR THE POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS OF THE VICTIMS, AND THERE WERE NO IMMEDIATE CLAIMS OF RESPONSIBILITY. VIOLENCE HAS SURGED IN KARACHI IN RECENT WEEKS AMID RENEWED FEUDING BETWEEN MILITANTS OF THE ETHNIC MOHAJIR NATIONAL MOVMEMNT (MQM) AND ITS MQM-HAQIQI SPLINTER FACTION. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/24/1997 SUBJECT: KANSI DEMONSTRATION IN QUETTA DATE OF ENTRY: 06/25/1997 QUETTA ABOUT 3,000 PEOPLE STAGED A DEMONSTRATION IN QUETTA YESTERDAY TO PROTEST THE APPREHENSION AND RETURN TO THE UNITED STATES OF MIR AIMAL KANSI, THE ALLEGED KILLER OF TWO CIA EMPLOYEES IN WASHINGTON IN JANUARY 1993. YOUTHS WEARING BLACK ARMBANDS, AND CARRYING BANNERS OR PLACARDS, CHANTED SLOGANS ABOUT WHAT THEY TERMED THE "ABDUCTION" OF A PAKISTANI NATIONAL BY US LAW EN- FORCEMENT AGENCIES AND DEMANDED HIS RETURN TO PAKISTAN. SHOPS AND HOMES IN THE AREA DOMINATED BY THE KANSI TRIBE AND ALONG KHUDABAD ROAD, THE ROUTE OF THE DEMONSTRATION, DISPLAYED BLACK FLAGS AS A SHOW OF ANGER. (COMMENT: THE KANSI EXTENDED FAMILY/TRIBE IS A PROMINENT AND INFLUENTIAL GROUP IN THE QUETTA AREA. ITS MEMBERS, HOWEVER, ARE PUSHTUNS RATHER THAN BALUCH. KANSI WAS APPREHENDED IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE 15 AT THE SHALIMAR HOTEL IN DERA GHAZI KHAN, 200 MILES EAST OF QUETTA, IN SOUTHWESTERN PUNJAB AND PROMPTLY RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/24/1997 SUBJECT: SIX KILLED AROUND COUNTRY DATE OF ENTRY: 06/24/1997 LAHORE, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT FIVE MEN WERE KILLED IN PUNJAB PROVINCE AND ONE MORE IN KARACHI TODAY. IN JHANG, SHIA ACTIVIST MOAZZAM ALI ZAIDI WAS SHOT DEAD AT HIS STORE, ALONG WITH A RELATIVE AND AN UNSUSPECTING CUSTOMER. KHALIL AHMED, LAWYER FOR THE LEADER OF THE MILITANT SUNNI ORGANIZATION SIPAH-I-SAHABA, WAS KILLED IN LAHORE BY MOTORCYCLE GUNMEN. SHIA ACTIVIST ALA WASAYA WAS GUNNED DOWN IN KHAIRPUR TAMEYWALA, APPROXIMATELY 62 MILES SOUTH OF MULTAN. IN KARACHI, A MAN WAS SHOT DEAD IN DISTRICT EAST AND A BOMB EXPLOSION IN DISTRICT WEST INJURED TWO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/24/1997 SUBJECT: ASSASSINATIONS CONTINUE DATE OF ENTRY: 06/24/1997 LAHORE REUTERS REPORTED THAT GUNMEN KILLED A LAWYER WORKING FOR THE LEADER OF A MILITANT SUNNI MOSLEM FACTION IN LAHORE ON TUESDAY AND A SHI'ITE MOSLEM ACTIVIST WAS SHOT DEAD IN THE PUNJAB PROVINCIAL TOWN OF KHAIRPUR TAMEYWALA. ACCORDING TO SECURITY OFFICIALS, GUNMEN ON A MOTORCYCLE SHOT THE LAWYER FOR A LEADER OF THE MILITANT SUNNI SIPAH-I-SAHABA PAKISTAN (SSP) ORGANIZATION NEAR THE HIGH COURT BUILDING IN THE CENTER OF LAHORE. IN A SEPARATE ATTACK, UNIDENTIFIED GUNMEN KILLED A SHI'ITE ACTIVIST IN KHAIRPUR TAMEYWALA, 62 MILES SOUTH OF MULTAN. NO GROUP HAS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LATEST KILLINGS, BUT THEY APPEAR TO BE PART OF A LONG-RUNNING FUED BETWEEN SUNNI AND SHI'ITE MOSLEM FACTIONS WHICH HAS COST DOZENS OF LIVES THIS YEAR. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/21/1997 SUBJECT: MORE HOMICIDES REPORTED DATE OF ENTRY: 06/22/1997 KARACHI IN THE LATEST ROUND OF HOMICIDES IN THE PORT CITY OF KARACHI, REUTERS REPORTS TWO PERSONS MURDERED IN THE MAHMOODABAD AREA OF DISTRICT EAST, ONE IN SAEEDA- BAD, ONE IN PIB COLONY OF DISTRICT EAST, AND ONE IN ORANGI OF DISTRICT WEST. THERE WERE NO CLAIMS OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RECENT KILLINGS. (COMMENT: ALTHOUGH THE MURDER RATE ATTRIBUTED TO ETHNIC, SECTARIAN OR POLITICAL STRIFE HAS DECLINED FROM 2000 IN 1995, TO 500-800 LAST YEAR, AND 110 THIS YEAR, THE KARACHI REMAINS A VERY VIOLENT CITY, AND SOME AREAS SHOULD BE AVOIDED BY EXPATRIATES. KARACHI'S HIGH CRIME AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED AS ORANGI, KORANGI, NORTH KARACHI, NAZIMABAD, LIAQUATABAD, MALIR, PAK COLONY, PATHAN COLONY AND FAISAL COLONY. THIS DOES NOT MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT OTHER PARTS OF TOWN ARE COMPLETELY SAFE. RECENT ROBBERY INCIDENTS AGAINST EXPATRIATES HAVE BEEN REPORTED EVEN FROM THE UPSCALE NEIGHBORHOODS OF CLIFTON AND DEFENSE.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/19/1997 SUBJECT: MORE DEATH IN KARACHI DATE OF ENTRY: 06/19/1997 KARACHI, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTS THAT 13 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN KARACHI THE PAST TWO DAYS, AS ETHNIC PARTY TENSIONS REMAIN HIGH. BASHIR SUKHI WAS FOUND DEAD IN DISTRICT EAST TODAY, AND AN UNIDENTIFIED YOUNG MAN WAS FOUND STRANGLED IN DISTRICT WEST. 11 PEOPLE WERE KILLED YESTERDAY IN SEPARATE INCIDENTS. A STRIKE ORGANIZED BY THE MOHAJIR NATIONAL MOVEMENT (MQM), AFTER AN ATTACK ON MQM OFFICES MONDAY WHICH KILLED NINE, PROCEEDED INTO ITS THIRD DAY. TENSIONS HAVE SURGED RECENTLY BETWEEN THE MQM AND THE MQM-HAQIQI FACTION, RESULTING IN INCREASED VIOLENCE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/17/1997 SUBJECT: EARTHQUAKE IN QUETTA VALLEY DATE OF ENTRY: 06/17/1997 QUETTA, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT AN EARTHQUAKE MEASURING 5.0 ON THE RICHTER SCALE STRUCK WESTERN PAKISTAN'S QUETTA VALLEY. THE QUAKE WAS CENTERED APPROXIMATELY 100 MILES NORTH OF QUETTA, IN THE SULEMAN MOUNTAIN RANGE. THERE HAVE BEEN NO REPORTED INJURIES OR SERIOUS DAMAGE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/17/1997 SUBJECT: KARACHI UNDER FIRE DATE OF ENTRY: 06/17/1997 KARACHI, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT POLICE AND PARAMILITARY TROOPS HAVE PUT PARTS OF KARACHI UNDER VIRTUAL MARTIAL LAW, AFTER FIVE MOHAJIR NATIONAL MOVEMENT (MQM) ACTIVISTS WERE SHOT DEAD AT THEIR OFFICE IN DISTRICT SOUTH YESTERDAY. AT LEAST 20 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DETAINED BY AUTHORITIES AND MOST BUSINESSES ARE CLOSED. SOME 10,000 MOURNERS ARE EXPECTED TO PLUG TRAFFIC ALONG THE MAIN ROAD IN AFTERNOON PRAYERS. A TOTAL OF NINE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GUNNED DOWN IN KARACHI THE PAST 24 HOURS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/16/1997 SUBJECT: FIVE MQM ACTIVISTS KILLED DATE OF ENTRY: 06/17/1997 KARACHI, PAKISTAN REUTERS REPORTED THAT FIVE MOHAJIR NATIONAL MOVEMENT (MQM) ACTIVISTS WERE SHOT DEAD AT THEIR RISALA AREA (DISTRICT SOUTH) OFFICE IN KARACHI. GUNMEN DROVE BY IN A YELLOW VEHICLE, SPRAYING THE BUILDING AND WOUNDING 13 OTHERS IN THE PROCESS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/13/1997 SUBJECT: SHIA LEADER GUNNED DOWN DATE OF ENTRY: 06/13/1997 PAKISTAN RADIO PAKISTAN REPORTED THAT SYED BAKER SHAH WAS SHOT DEAD IN FAYSALABAD. SHAH WAS A LOCAL LEADER OF THE SHIA ORGANIZATION TEHRIK-I-JAFRIA. SEPARATELY, TWO PEOPLE WERE SHOT DEAD BY MOTORCYCLE GUNMEN IN KARACHI, AND SEVERAL VEHICLES WERE REPORTEDLY TORCHED. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN DATE OF INCIDENT: 06/12/1997 SUBJECT: TWO KILLED IN KARACHI DATE OF ENTRY: 06/12/1997 KARACHI REUTERS REPORTED THAT GUNMEN SHOT AND KILLED TWO PEOPLE IN KARACHI ON THURSDAY. THE FIRST VICTIM WAS KILLED IN THE FEDERAL B AREA OF KARACHI'S CENTRAL DISTRICT, AND THE SECOND VICTIM, A 60-YEAR-0LD MAN, WAS KILLED BY MASKED GUNMEN AT HIS HOME IN THE MALIR DISTRICT. THERE WAS NO IMMEDIATE CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACKS. IN A SEPARATE INCIDENT, ARMED MEN COMANDEERED AN AMBULANCE OF THE PRIVATE EDHI WELFARAE TRUST. IN ADDITION, WITNESSES SAID GUNMEN, APPARENTLY LOYAL TO THE HAQIQI FACTION OF THE MOHAJIR NATIONAL MOVEMENT (MQM), FORCED SHOPS TO CLOSE IN AT LEAST SIX KARACHI DISTRICTS. THEY THEN BURNED THREE VEHICLES AND BLOCKED TRAFFIC. THE ACTIVISTS WERE PROTESTING TUESDAY'S ATTACK ON THEIR HEADQUARTERS IN WHICH GUNMEN KILLED TWO PARTY WORKERS. MQM-HAQIQI LEADER AFAQ AHMED BLAMED THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE ASSAULT. THE DEATH TOLL IN KARACHI IN THE PAST THREE DAYS HAS NOW RISEN TO 13. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ COUNTRY: PAKISTAN
Mahmood <DEEN-E-MULLAH FEE SABEEL ILLAH FASAD (ALLAMA IQBAL)>
Kuwait, KUWAIT - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 17:30:59 (EST)

Rumy: Can you do better translation of (vese 98:7)the word is "shurul-briyya"(worst creature) I wonder why you did NOT attack on this one(AL-Maidah 79)The arabic words are "Lu-a-nullazeena" (CURSED ON THOSE). Secondly, Hazzrat Mirza sahib EVEN has not mentioned the name of Assdullha on the page of (Ruhani Khazian vol.14.p53) then how dare you can missquote him. Now let me tell you correct information: It is an arabic poetry on (ruhani Khazian vol.14,p53) which is Hazzrat Mirza sahib has written in the LOVE of my beloved prophet Mohammad (saw).He is saying "I am devoted to him(prophet Mohammad saw) For this crime people become swines of our Jungles (dushmon hamare beybano ke khunzeer ho gay)And their women turn worst than bitches. Now you tell me Rumy: where Hazzrat sahib is attacking on your great mullan Assadullah???I repeat the quranic verse again "Those among the Isreal who disbelieved were CURSED by the toung of David, and Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobayed and used to transgress" (Al-Maidah 79) Rumy: you justify yourself. Thirdly, Hazzrat mirza sahib writting to Peer Mehar Ali Shah? (according to U a muslim saint). Now every time when you quote this you say "Ruhani Khazian vol. 18) But do not mention the Page Number. Unless you do not give me the page number, I cannot explain. Though, I am sure this quote will be also like above one, where Mirza sahib EVEN had NOT mentioned anything that you are refering. Fourthly, You again try to play a game, regaurding words "their women turn to worst than bithies" (ruhani Khazian vol. 14 p53) The background of these words is, This is an Arabic poem of Hazzrat sahib in the Love of Holly prophet Mohammad saw, as I have explained above for whom & why this exprssion was used. EXACTLY,When Hazzrar Ubu-Backar rz said "Go and SUCK the CHASTITY (shrumgah) Of Laat(idol)"(bukhari kitabulstalt filjehad vol.3 75) Fifthly, I am writting back to your words, according to these words, used by Hazzrat Mirza sahib in Ruhani Khazian vol. 11 page 333).I could not find a Single word like what you have written to Atham (according to U Mr. Atham, shame on You, I guess U should call Mr. Sulman Rushdi!! :) You said Mirza Sahib had writtin, Now I,m Quotating you: "O low caste! Khabees! enemy of Allah and prophet!You have done this Jewish alternation in the (prophecy), so that this Grand mericle of holly prophet SAAW is hidden from this world.....Your Lie O worthless is exposed....from which world did these stupid understood these meanings? O Morons! O sightless! Disgrace to Molviyat.....especially the head of the Dajjaleens, Abdul Haq Ghuznavi And his followers; Hundered thousands times shoes of CURSE of Allah may fall upon them. O dirty Dujjal! prophecy has been fullfiled but bigotry has blind you.Zamima, AnjameAtham,Ruhani Khazian vol.11 p333" O Rumy:There is One Allah who is Watching; Shame little Sahme please!!Go read this page of Ruhani Khazian and show me a single word that you have written, and what mirza sahib has written. What are talking about? Which page are you refering to? Do tou know what are you quoting? TO ALL THE READER: Please go to Ruhani Khazian Vol.11 page 333. And read what has written there and what the hell is this gentelman writting.Now let me tell you in the clear word. Rumy: Mirza Sahib has Not said a single word on ruhani khazian vol11 p333 that you are refering to. Now this was your last alligation, after this you were playing bullshit quotaing different writter of this page, I do not know what was the pupose behind, because the the problem could be solve only JUST refereing to your OWN writtings!!!Now read my same answer of your same alligations. Allah says in Quran O Mohammad (saw) keep telling people again & again, Humen forgets so quickly. Waslam, Ali
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 16:19:51 (EST)

Brother Aziz: I have spoke to many ignorant people. But I witness Thr Lord of Mohammad peace be upon him. I have never seen An ignorant person Like brother Rumy: Same Alligations, same alligations & same alliagtios. Brother You tell this gentelaman atleast change the wordings. I think he has very lack of confidense. He believed ahmadi so wrong, only because he never had an oppotunity to speak to ahmadies. And now when answers have been given, he feels so uncomfortable to believe them true. A person who could not believe verses of Quran what can you expect from him. Also his Ego does not permit him to accept his defeat. Read his last comment to me. I think he was "FULL" He had no idea what the hell is he writting. I think he is only here to encourage people like gentleman writting to Mr. Waraich. I am writting you this to pray for my brother Rumy: At the end, throu you I want brother Rumy to read his writting again. Brother Aziz I hope you know this was my brother rumy, who asked me once "you ahmadi cnnot prove from quran that that Jesus son of mary will come again(physically)" Ofcourse we could not. This is one the major pillar where ahmadiyyat stands. I think this time My dear brother Rumy was FULL with TWO.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 13:07:54 (EST)

Dear Ahmadi Writers: Do not respond to Rumy's uninformed, biased and almost foolish writings. He may know but does not practise Islam. His writings are clear proof of my statement. By using highly inflammatory language and repeating the same arguments which you have refuted a number of times he is simply satisfying his ego. Let him write whatever he wants. Allah (SWA) will handle those who mock and ridicule His messengers. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca CA USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 12:23:02 (EST)

Mr. Ali Qadiani ! Don't compare oranges with apples. If you want to compare Mirza KAZIB'S language, compare it with Mr. Amir's, Boris, and other Ahmadi's language. Don't compare it with holy books . You had objection on the language of Verse of holy Quran you quoted (98:7 or 98:6). Could you provide this subject in better language? Here is the model language of Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani and other fellows to compare whose language is better. I will wait your judgement, to know whose language is comparatively better. First of all Mirza KAZIB'S master piece For his opponent Mr. Saadulah , he writes " Demon. Scoundrel. Profilgate, Devil, Accursed, Seed of evil person, Wicked, Mischievous, Ill- omened, Son of a bitch." (Roohani Khazain vol, 14 p.53) Then Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani remembers his another opponent, Hazzarat PEER Mehar Ali Shah (A Muslim saint), in the following words: " Liar, KHABEES (Wicked), Sting like a scorpion. O land of Golra! Curse of God be upon you. You have become accursed because of the cursed one." (Roohani Khazain vol.18). What a beautiful language he used against his opponents he said " Enemies have become swines of our Jungle and their women have (become) worse than bitches." (Roohani Khazain vol.14, p.53). His Comments to his opponent Mr. Atham "O Low Caste! Khabees! Enemy of Allah and Prophet! You have done this Jewish alteration in the (prophecy), so that this Grand Miracle of Holy Prophet SAAW is hidden from this world .....your lie O Worthless is exposed ......from which word did these Stupids understood these meanings? O Morons! O Sightless! Disgrace to the Molviyat! ......especially the head of the Dajjaleens, Abdul Haq Ghaznavi and his followers; Hundred thousand times Shoes of Curses of Allah may fall upon them. O Dirty Dajjal! Prophecy has been fulfilled but bigotry has blinded you." (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol 11 p.330 Mr. Amir Ah tail of Iblees, Rumy + Scientist reasearcher sahib, Well done, Well done ,Well done dear: How great acting can you do!!! Dear why you do not apply for the job in Film Industry???? Anyway, Tell me true ARE YOU SHIA ?????? Amir <"<>> Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 14:14:37 (EST) QADIANI BUSTER This message is for AMIR (Murtadd) again. Amir (KAKA) you are asking some one to apply for a job in the film industry. Absolutly right. He will be a Hero and your "MAMA" will be Heroin. and of course I will be a villain. YOU MADE MY DAY AMIR BABY. QADIANI BUSTER Rahim Yar Khan, PK - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 17:56:07 (EST) INFORMER Last time Mirza had left his Pyjama outside the toilet (because his body was discovered without pyjama). This pyjama is a holy object for Qadianise and it is part of Qadiani Museum. Qadianise pays respect to this pyjama when they visit their museum. Govt of Pakistan should declare the toilet where Mirza had died, a historic site which will be holy for Qadianise. So Pak tourism will earn a few dollars from visitors. Informer <"<>> Lahore , Pakistan - Sunday, October 19, 1997 at 01:16:38 (EDT) Mr.ALI QADIANI Algreatul mukazabul, munafaqul,jahalul stupatull, wahyatull,kaminatul: wheather you are the great stupid person or rest of the so-called Islamic world. are you people crazy man?………. Read poems of Iqbal and see how many time he had kissed Queen Victoria's BUTT Ali Qadiani Halifax, - Thursday, October 09, 1997 at 23:00:49 (EDT Why you all non-ahmadies have pain in your private place that keeping bothering ahmadies, look yourself in miror so -called muslims. Ali Qadiani Halifax, - Sunday, October 12, 1997 at 23:37:53 (EDT Informer again Mirza Tahir looks like a demon with swollen filthy face in white 'Sharwani' and high 'kula', a real ugly fat demon. I hope this post will help you to curb your Qadiani Erotica for few days. Informer Lahore, Pakistan - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 03:42:28 (EST) Boris Mirzai What a day would be that when u benn delivered by your mother. Sorry, if your mother knows whom's shit u ARE. Does your mother was standing holding the door of the toilet where mirza died. Are a MAN!!!Look at your down carefully and check!!!. I got to go to college now, i am sure we will talk latter. isn't!!!!!!!!! Boris Yeltsen <"<>> Lahore, Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 15:21:09 (EST) Mr. Saleh Mirzai Ah Kawaja ka gwa duddu! where r u???? u could not find anyone else to spit other than SHIA RUMY. Saleh <"<>> Mecca, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 17:17:09 (EST) Now compare. I know its difficult job for you because these all models resembles to each other and there is a minute difference among them. May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 09:05:56 (EST)

Mr. Ali Qadiani ! Once I told Christian Priest Atham's story to Mr. Abdulaziz Qadiani. He replied that "Mr. Rumy: If I were you I woud be ashamed of writing about Priest Atham's story. You know that Mirza Sahib entered into debate with that priest because he had made it his routine to write terrible accusations against Prophet Muhammad (SAS), his wives, his companions and against Islam in general. Abdul Aziz USA - Wednesday, October 08, 1997 at 20:24:07 (EDT" I know he was not true at that time as Priest Atham was not accusing Holy Prophet (PBUH) but he did challenge to Mirza KAZIB for his false claim and said " Mirza you are not a MASSEEH-E-MOUD but you are Mirza MURDOOD" After reading your long posting I have found you accusing Holy prophet Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions. Your story of HUDDABYEA PACT is not more than accusation. Again cursing QURESH is another accuse. I don't know this time Your elder Qadiani brother Abdulaziz Qadiani felt shame or not after reading your comments ? As I couldn't find any remarks from his side on your accuse on Holy Prophet Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH). May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 09:02:58 (EST)

Dear Readers! Assalam-O-Alaikum ; A Mirzai writer Abdulaziz Qadiani wrote " NonAhmadis know every thing that is in the hearts of Ahmadis. God has given them 'Ilem e Ghaib'. Thus they have the right to accuse you of hypocrisy when they think that what you are writing is not what is in your heart" Abdul Aziz USA - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 15:56:14 (EST) . Once Dr. Rashid replied to this objection very nicely. As he is on leave therefore I paste his reply here again for confirmation of Mr. Abdulaziz Qadiani. " Dear Qadianis/Ahmadis Whenever Muslims are labeling you or your founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a MUNAFIQ (HYPOCRITE), you say how can we read what is in your hearts. Today I will tell you why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the BIGGEST MUNAFIQ, a PERFECT HYPOCRITE. There is a Hadith of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) where he says: "If following four (habits) are found in a person, then he is a PERFECT HYPOCRITE, and if one sign is found in a person, then he has one sign of hypocrisy until he leaves it: · When he is entrusted (with something), HE EMBEZZLES; · When he talks, HE LIES; · When he promises, HE RENEGES ON IT; · When he quarrels, HE ABUSES." (Bukhari, Muslim) Now if you read the life of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, you will find the proofs of all four habits: · LIAR, EMBEZZLER, RENEGADE - ALL IN ONE: He promised to write Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya in 50 volumes, took advance payment for these volumes and then stopped publishing Braheen after 4 volumes. 5th volume came out 25 years later and in its preface he wrote: "At first I had intended to write in 50 volumes, but I was contended with writing 5 volumes and since the difference between 50 and 5 is a mere ZERO, my promise (of writing 50 volumes) is fulfilled by writing 5 volumes." (Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.9). · GRAND LIAR: He wrote in Kitab-ul-Bariyah about his early life and gave names of teachers who taught him Quran, Hadith etc. "At 10 years of age an Arabic Teacher was appointed for me whose name was Fazal Ahmed ....and when I was 17-18 years of age I was taught by another Molvi Saheb, whose name was Gul Ali Shah, who was appointed by my father in Qadian to teach me…..When I was 6-7 years old, a persian teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran ....and his name was Fazal Ilahi." (Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.180) Then later on to prove his claim of being a Mahdi, he wrote that Mahdi will be the person who will not have any teacher. He goes on to swear upon God that no one can prove that anyone had taught him anything: "Mahdi is not a student of anybody. I swear that this is exactly my condition. Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran." (Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.394) · ABUSIVE LANGUAGE: Just one example will suffice here. Reacting to the criticism of one of his opponents, he said: "O Low Caste! Khabees! Enemy of Allah and Prophet! You have done this Jewish alteration in the (prophecy), so that this Grand Miracle of Holy Prophet SAAW is hidden from this world .....your lie O Worthless is exposed ......from which word did these Stupids understood these meanings? O Morons! O Sightless! Disgrace to the Molviyat! ......especially the head of the Dajjaleens, Abdul Haq Ghaznavi and his followers; Hundred thousand times Shoes of Curses of Allah may fall upon them. O Dirty Dajjal! Prophecy has been fulfilled but bigotry has blinded you." (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol 11 p.330) Of course there are other scores of examples of all these qualities of hypocrisy in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. These are all there in his books for anyone who wants to see. Wassalam to those who follow the right path. Dr. Syed Rashid Ali Dibba, UAE - Saturday, October 11, 1997 at 14:53:46 (EDT)
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 09:00:17 (EST)

This Message is for Disgraced (MURTADD) WARAICH: Mirzai kaka WARAICH: at least you admitted to some extent that there was a so called angle named "TICHI TICHI" coming to "MIRZA KAZIB" bringing him his message from "SHAITAN". Also I would ask you to admit the same way that when "MIRZA KAZIB" died in disgrace, he did actually have "SHIT" in his mouth. I hope you will definitly admit this fact too. and after that I pray if ALLAH (SWT) should make you come back to the Right Path.
Qadiani Buster <Waraich@SHITY MIRZA.Com>
London, UK - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 07:07:24 (EST)

Question: mirza sahib's Alham Tichi Tichi ? answere: Absolutely wrong, there is none of the Alham of Hazzrat Mirza sahib is like this. Yes, there is one dream in which Hazoor has seen a man who is SEEMS TO BE an angel. And he introduced himsels as TICHI. In Punjabi language word TICHI means "right on time". And it DID happend SO. The worries of expenses of the Lunger Khana was so much before this dream, while all those worries were gone away right after this dream. Thus, to say it was an revolution of TICHI TICHI to Hazzrat Mirza sahib was just an other allegation. Question: Could be TICHI TICHI an angel ? Answer: First it has been discussed above that Hazzrat Mirza sahib never claimed that it was an angel. What Mirza sahib said "He SEEMS TO BE AN ANGEL". exactly if I say to some one, you look like your brother, it does not mean you are same person. Question: Could angel be blind from one eye (Kana)? Answer: It is one of the bukhari hadieth (bukhari kitabulslat vol.1 page 153) Hadieth starts " Once angel of death was sent to Hazzrat Moses, when he arrived, Hazzrat Moses smashed him and one of the eye of the angel was blown out.Therfore, the angel went back to Allah and complained, you have sent us to a person who does want to die. Allah returned his eye and ordered. Go back to him (Moses) And tell him to put his hand on the back of the cow and see howmany hairs of his hand come down, and the each hair will be the one year of his life. Then Hazzrat Moses spoke O Allah then waht would happend? Allah said "It will be the time of your death" Then Again Moses said "O Allah why not Now"(urdu translation tarjeed ul bukhari page 150)O foolish followers of Rumy: Tichi is only a name, you people believed angel Izrael was blind from one eye (Kana.) Hazzrat Mirza sahib never said that he was as angel. Mirza sahib said "HE SEEMS TO BE ANGEL"(Mukshafat page38) Also the name of this person was told only TICHI. But to keep the heritage of Jews these non-Ahamdi made it TICHI TICHI. Quran says " ...people who have not come to thee, They pervert words after their being put in their right places..."(Al-Maidah 42). I just like to clarify the hadieth that Hazzrat Moses made angel Izrael one eye blinded (Kana), it is also written in (Bukhari vol.2p154) & (kiyabulkhaliq chap.death of Moses, Muslim vol.2 p225) And Also in (mushkat p499). Hazzrat Mirzasahib has given the translation of word TICHI, which is a word of Punjabi Language means "RIGHT ON TIME" (haqikatul wahi p.332). Now these Ignorant people like Rumy (repeating same alligations with Ali)Make Joke on this, Look what Mirza sahib said !! How ignorant are these people. Anyhow let see another hadieth of Bukhari (bukhari vol.1 2nd hadieth) "Many of times angel comes to prophet Mohammad peace be upon him with the sound of TUN, TUN, TUN. Now you must understand that TULLI, TULLI is not an angel, But it is an announcement of the coming of angel to prophet of Allah. Question: Do angels have attribut names ?? Answer: Yes, This is another Alligation from non-ahmadi that angels do not have attribut names. Now I will prove my statement by quotating an authentic hadieth. (wailmi page 55. vol 1. Auther ubul-Amamtuh rz) Hadieth starts "Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said "the name of angel Gibrael is Abdullah, And the name of angel Miqail is Abdullah, And the name of angel Israfeel is Abdul-rahman". It shows that angels do have an attribute names which are given to them by their duties. Now I ask these so-called Muslims which are so eager to suck the blood of each other, but against ahmadiyyat are united. That prophet Mohammad (saw) called angel Gibrael Abdullah, And now if someone as joke says about Hazzrat Gibrel that "MINYA ABDULLAH WHI LAYA" Now the same answer is our as will be yours.
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega city, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 02:41:51 (EST)

Question: mirza sabib's Alham Tichi Tichi ? answere: Absolutely wrong, there is none of the Alham of Hazzrat Mirza sahib is like this. Yes, there is one dream in which Hazoor has seen a man who is SEEMS TO BE an angel. And he introduced himsels as TICHI. In Punjabi language word TICHI means "right on time". And it DID happend SO. The worries of expense of the Lunger Khana was so much before this dream, while all those worries were gone away right after this dream. Thus, to say it was an revolution of TICHI TICHI to Hazzrat Mirza sahib was just an other allegation. Question: Could be TICH TICHI an angel ? Answer: First it has been discussed above that Hazzrat Mirza sahib never claimed that it was an angel. What Mirza sahib said "He SEEMS TO BE AN ANGEL". exactly if I say to some one, you look like your brother, it does not mean you are same person. Question: Could angel be blind from one eye (Kana)? Answer: It is one of the bukhari hadieth (bukhari kitabulslat vol.1 page 153) Hadieth starts " Once angel of death was sent to Hazzrat Moses, when he arrived, Hazzrat Moses smashed him and one of the eye of the angel was blown out.Therfore, the angel went back to Allah and complained, you have sent us to a person who does want to die. Allah returned his eye and ordered. Go back to him (Moses) And tell him to put his hand on the back of the cow and see howmany hairs of his hand come down, and the each hair will be the one year of his life. Then Hazzrat Moses spoke O Allah then waht would happend? Allah said "It will be the time of your death" Then Again Moses said "O Allah why not Now"(urdu translation tarjeed ul bukhari page 150)O foolish followers of Rumy: Tichi is only a name, you people believed angel Izrael was blind from one eye (Kana.) Hazzrat Mirza sahib never said that he was as angel. Mirza sahib said "HE SEEMS TO BE ANGEL"(Mukshafat page38) Also the name of this person was told only TICHI. But to keep the heritage of Jews these non-Ahamdi made it TICHI TICHI. Quran says " ...people who have not come to thee, They pervert words after their being put in their right places..."(Al-Maidah 42). I just like to clarify the hadieth that Hazzrat Moses made angel Izrael one eye blinded (Kana), it is also written in (Bukhari vol.2p154) & (kiyabulkhaliq chap.death of Moses, Muslim vol.2 p225) And Also in (mushkat p499). Hazzrat Mirzasahib has given the translation of word TICHI, which is a word of Punjabi Language means "RIGHT ON TIME" (haqikatul wahi p.332). Now these Ignorant people like Rumy (repeating same alligations with Ali)Make Joke on this, Look what Mirza sahib said !! How ignorant are these people. Anyhow let see another hadieth of Bukhari (bukhari vol.1 2nd hadieth) "Many of times angel comes to prophet Mohammad peace be upon him with the sound of TUN, TUN, TUN. Now you must understand that TULLI, TULLI is not an angel, But it is an announcement of the coming of angel to prophet of Allah. Question: Do angels have attribut names ?? Answer: Yes, This is another Alligation from non-ahmadi that angels do not have attribut names. Now I will prove my statement by quotating an authentic hadieth. (wailmi page 55. vol 1. Auther ubul-Amamtuh rz) Hadieth starts "Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said "the name of angel Gibrael is Abdullah, And the name of angel Miqail is Abdullah, And the name of angel Israfeel is Abdul-rahman". It shows that angels do have an attribute names which are given to them by their duties. Now I ask these so-called Muslims which are so eager to suck the blood of each other, but against ahmadiyyat are united. That prophet Mohammad (saw) called angel Gibrael Abdullah, And now if someone as joke says about Hazzrat Gibrel that "MINYA ABDULLAH WHI LAYA" Now the same answer is our as will be yours.
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega city, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 02:35:29 (EST)

Mr Rumy: third Alligations is very simple: Well, i,m sorry if you could not understood first two what I can expect from you. Anyhow I will not take your time, This answer is given by Hazzrat Mirza sahib, that there is different between Nzra Quran & To understand Quran with detail. When Hazzrat Mirzasahib declared that he has not read quran from humen teacher, he also did not denyed the fact that he did read the Nazra from People. Quran itself declare difrences between to read Quran and to understand Quran. Quran (Al-Jumu'ah 3) To recite & To teach. When Hazzrat Mirzasahib declared that he has not read the quran from human teacher, It means according to him is the Meaning & subjects of Quran which were taught to hazoor by Allah.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 00:54:14 (EST)

Mr.Rumy: how are you brother? Lets talk about another old Alligation. But before that I like to give you another refrence from Quran that prophet of Allah Do CURSE on people. Quran says "Those amongst the Israel who disbelieved were, CURSED by the toungue of David, And Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress".(Al-Maidah,79) Now I hope you would undeerstand why Hazzrat Mirza sahib Did Cursed on some particular people with a reason and in a limit. Brother I am not forcing you to accept Ahmadiyyat, My purpose of writting to you is, When you consider yourself wrong, please admit. Hazzrat Mirza sahib never claimed that anyone who does not believe in him is Kafir. He says in the Ruhani Khazian that only a SHerai prophet can call Kafir to those who do not believe in him. He(mirza sahib) never claimed Sherai prophet Nor he ever called anyone Kafir. Now lets talk about again on the topic, whether it was Alham to mirza sahib that he will write 50 vols. Of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya or It was his WISH (Arada). I do not know why you are saying again & again that Hazzrat Mirza sahib Even never claimed to Be Or Do. Show me the Book, The Page where Hazzrat Mirza sahib Has written that Allah Told him that he will write 50 vols of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya. I rpeat it again, what Mirza sahuib said It was His WIS (Arada) to write 50 vols. Nothing More than that. I have proven you this alligation falls even before with Hadieths. But do not worry, As long as you will rpeat your alligations without any sense, I will keep writting you back these hadieths. First, Allah Told prophet Mohammad (saw) BY what?? (Revolution) that in the year of Suleh Hudabiya he will go to pilgremage to Mecca. Now Rumy: You tell me was able to go perfprm Hujj. Now tell me, Did nouzubillah Prophet Mohammad (saw) Lied. Rumy Why you do not understand ??? Now tell me this, Hazzrat Yunus told his people that Allah has decided to distroy this village And Allah has revealed to him this. Rumy tell me, Did that village was distroyed. So do you think Hazzrat Yunus was nouzubillah laying?? Now, If the Authentic Alham of these two great prophets of Allah could be nouzubillah wrong, Then SO WHAT !! if Hazzrat Mirza sahib's Wish (Arada) was not fulfilled. Come On!! Now lets look this Hadieth taken from bukhari, kitabul-slat, first hadieth vol 1 p50 misri) At the night of Mira'age beloved prophet Mohammad (saw) went with prophet Moses to Allah to reduce the number of prayers. Allah said "take them, these five are fifty" Also this hadieth is written in (mashkatul kitab)that Alalh said "these are five prayers each one is equal to Ten" (5*10= 50) Brother, if still this all is going over head, let me know please. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 00:31:58 (EST)

Thank you very much for your effort to fight this Kafirs. This poisonous seed was sown in Islam by mirza ghulam al kazzab (may the curse of Allah be upom him). Keep up the battle against the Quadianie Kafirs. To the Quadianies aka Ahmadies- Fear Allah! Come back to the track!! He is forgiving. Renounce Quadianiat. Otherwise on the last day you will wish you were animals. Even animals will kick you out of their herd out of contempt for your KUFAR. You will end up in hell. Believe me, that is very hot. You sure wouldn't like to chat with mirza there. So now the choice is yours!!!
Parvez <imam@me.queensu.ca>
Kingston, Ontario Canada - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 22:35:31 (EST)

One of my non-ahmadi brother writes underneeth Mr. Aziz's writting that basically Shia & Sunni are brother & their belief is same. How ignorant is this my brother. Secondly he says Ahamdi do not believe in Kalma, prophet of allah, Quan, And so non. Then He says Bhotto was not a good muslim but he had done a great job declaring Ahmadi non muslim. How foolish is this my brother On one hand he is declaring Bhotto as not a good muslim person On other hand he is thanks full to Bhotto. The thing is when a person who is not agood muslim himself. What does that mean. Is he scollar of Islam, Does he has authority to give certificate to people that who is muslim and who is not. When you admit yourself that "A" particular person is not a good muslim.It is exactly, When you do not like a poet, tell me how could you like his poetry. it,s nonsense. Brother i,m not teasing you, sometimes I write wrong too, but Not this much. May Allah be with you. I hope you will learn little more about Shiaism.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 22:04:17 (EST)

Mr. Rumy: I am absolutely NOT surprised of your response. There is a saying in Punjabi " Jhethe thi khothi mor tour ke othe aa khlothi" Also Quran says that it is a human nature that humen forgets, So O prophet (saw) keep teling people. I prepared myself to talk about more Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writting that ULAMA could not understood the meaning of Sura Al-Zilzal. (according to U mirza sahib said prophet Mohammad(saw) did not know the meaning nouzubillah) (Ruhani Khazian Vol. 3.page 166) And also I proved you that Hazzrat Mirza sahib defended Hazzrat Isa regaurding mesmirism. (where you said mirza sahib blamed on prophet Jesus son of merry of mismerism)Ruhani Khazian Vil.3 page 254. But I think you do not have gurts to come forward. Anyhow lets talk about old alligatios once again, by following Quran that humen forgets quickly. First alligation about Hazzrat Mirza sahib's language that he had CURSED on his opponent. Hazzrat Mirza sahib saying that he has not said to ordinary muslims no matter what they believe, his words are for those who are fitna purvaz mullans(al-huda page 68.) Now I am writting that hadieth of prophet Mohammad (saw) again for you. Prophet Mohammad saw said :O Allah must CURSE on Qurash (prophet of allah said this three times)Then He (saw) said O Allah Curse on Ubu-Jehul, O Allah CURSE on Utba-bin Rabiya & Shiba bin Rabiya.(bukhari alkitabulslat, chapter ulqiya ala zahara-almusulla, vol.1 p38)Now Rumy Do Not forget Holly prophet Mohammad peace be upon was "Mercy for All people"(quran, Al-anbiya 108) Rumy: If Holly prophet Mohammad (sa) could CURSE on Fitna Putvaz people then why Not his THE humble servant could. Now read the language of Quran. Quran says "Verily,those who disbelieve from among the people of the book and the idolaters, will be in the fire of Hell, abiding therein. THEY ARE THE WORST OF CREATURES"(Al-Bayyinah 7.) Now lets read this hadieth, first background, At the time of Suleh Hudabiya the representative of Macken Urvo-bin-Masood was speaking to prophet of Allah. Hazzrat Ubu-Baker (rz) was listning closely, suddenly he(hazzrat ububackar rz) Got mad and said (hadieth starts) "faqala lahu ubu-backar alsadeeq umsus babuzril-Lat"(bukhari kitabulshrut filjehad vol. 3,p75) Now read its Urdu (i,m translating in English) translation by Molvi Fairozdeen of Lahore."Hazzrat Ubu-Bakar (rz) said (while he was listning the conversation)to Urvo "Go And SUCK the (shrumgah) chastity of Laat (idol). Writer says this was THE worst sware in Arabia. Now you must understand this Urvo did not say this bad word to Holly prophet SAW. He made a statement to prophet of allah that O Mohammad(saw) these muslims will leave you alone at the time of war. This all incident was happend while holly prophet was standing there even then Prophet Of Allah did not stoped Hazzrat Ubu-Backar (rz) Now Rumy: you must understand there are some situations where these languages are necessary to use and that is what Hazzrat Mirza sahib did. Hazzrat Mirza sahib clearly said I am writting this to Ulama who creat fsad. Fortunately you consider them Great Ulama-e Islaam. Rumy: you must understand Non-Ahmadi Ulama has had used to filthy language against Hazzrat Mirza sahib that your words Liar, Kazib Munafiq have no values. Your problem is that you love to make general statements as your other fellows. You people do not speak or write with logic. Brother Aziz said you repeat your alligations (which pretends this subject never discussed). Now tell me, Isn't your writtings of today is just a photo copy what mr. aziz had said. Same words, same alligations. Rumy atleat make little bit change in your alligations, because it gives me opportunity to research and learn more. And if you think you got no other alligations, please do not hesitate to tell me I will provide for you, all those alligations that Mullans of old times And even new make guilty of crimes to mirza sahib. Now I will make End of answer of the first alligation from you. Read my other writtings on response to your other alligations. Long writting breakes interest of people. Waslm, Ali.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 21:39:53 (EST)

How nice would it have been if it were really true that Shias, sunnis and other muslims were different schools of thought. Unfortunately it is easy to say but difficult to implement. Just visit the 'sipesahaba' web site and then see what ulema of Ahle sunnat say. Here are some examples, for the rest visit the above stated web site: Ibn Hazmul-Andaloosi says,"Shi'ites are not Muslims". Abu Zur'ah ar Raazee says,"Shi'ites are disbelievers". Imama Abu Hanifa says,"Whoever doubts whether they (Shi'ites) are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief". Please don't blame me I just copied from the web site of 'sipesahaba'. The reality is that Shias committed a blunder when they deviated from their old policy of not siding with nonAhmadis against Ahmadis. They are now paying for it in Pakistan. How sad! It is Muslims killing MuslimVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 21:03:12 (EST)

Mr. Amir: I feel very sorry for your poor knowledge. I believe you have gone to the same school as as the Murtadeens go to. Any how for you information, "SHIAS" and "SUNNIS" are the same . You know why? They both believe in the Same Quran, The Both believe in that Mohammad (SAW) is the Last Prophet, they both have the same KALIMA (LAA ILAHA ILALLAH MUHAMMAD UR RUSOOL ALLAH), but you (QADIANIS) are absolutly out casted, you are MURTADEENS because your have your own (MIRZA MADE) stuff to believe in, you dont believe in the Holy Quran, You have nothing to do with MOHAMMAD (SAW), so why are you people decieving the innocent people. I believe that "BHUTTO" even though he was not a good Muslim but just for this remarkable work (DECLARING "QADIANIS as KAFIRS & MURTADEENS) he has lot more chances to be forgiven. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. HE DID A GREAT JOB.
Mirzai Basher <>
London, UK - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 18:25:04 (EST)

This message is for AMIR (Murtadd) again. Amir (KAKA) you are asking some one to apply for a job in the film industry. Absolutly right. He will be a Hero and your "MAMA" will be Heroin. and of course I will be a villain. YOU MADE MY DAY AMIR BABY.
QADIANI BUSTER <Amir@ShityMirza.com>
Rahim Yar Khan, PK - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 17:56:07 (EST)

Ah tail of Iblees, Rumy + Scientist reasearcher sahib, Well done, Well done ,Well done dear: How great acting can you do!!! Dear why you do not apply for the job in Film Industry???? Anyway, Tell me true ARE YOU SHIA ??????
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 14:14:37 (EST)

Mr. AMIR! I personnaly appologise from you on language used against you by some Qadiani buster. Please don't feel it Bye
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 09:20:41 (EST)

Dear Qadiani Buster! Please be patient. ALLAH helps those who have patience. Idle talk is not Muslim's way. Please avoid and don't feel it. Mr. Amir is writting against me, let him write. If I am not replying him then my all well wishers should leave him alone. I request again to all Muslim brithers please avoid abusive and Ahmadi style language. Bye
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 09:11:49 (EST)

To qadyanies! shia and sunni are both muslims and brothers. They might be belong to different schools of thought but their religon, God, book and prophit is one.They are groups of muslims but as for as qadyanies are concerned they are not only kaffireen (no believers)but worst than that.May Almighty curse the devil Mirza.
zarrar ahmad khan niazi <qadyani basher>
slough, england united kingdom - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 09:05:13 (EST)

Mr.Ali, Amir and Other Qadiani readers! I am Rumy again. If I told you sometimes before that" profession wise I have no concern with religious research," was not to hurt you. I just wanted to clarify my position if sometime I could not reply promptly. But as I feel, some of you have hurt by it. I am sorry for that. Now lets resume the discussion. My whole discussion is on that Mirza KAZIB was a LIAR and Hypocrite. And I have proved it from his life and writings. I didn't say any word against his parents. I didn't use any abusive word for you people. My plea is Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani was a liar and Hypocrite. And still I stand on this point. If you Ahmadi's really want to clean him and save him from the curse of his MUNAFAQAT (hypocrisy) Just accept one truth that Ahamadi's/Qadiani's/Mirzai's are NON MUSLIM. Your religion is different than Islam. That's it. I am not saying that you are KAFIR. I am saying you Ahmadi's are non-Muslim. As soon as you will accept this truth no body will say why Mirza KAZIB or You Mirzai's use abusive language because we will assume that this language is allowed in Ahmadyyet. As in some religions people eat what we Muslims don't . But no body cares. Try to understand and think of it. Ask Mirza Tahir (The Qadiani Pope) to announce that Ahmadyyet is different religion to Islam. You all will be in comfort. May ALLAH give you all Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 09:00:21 (EST)

Mr. Ali Qadiani! Thanks for admitting that many people have indicated you that your references are bogus. Therefore in next avoid quoting wrong references as its dishonesty with knowledge. Now come to the real point. Mr. Its not me who changes the track every time. My Question in the start of this discussion was " Could a liar and Hypocrite be a Prophet? " One of you Ahmadi's replied "No". After that I quoted some wordings of Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani from his writings and his life. How I could prove that he was Liar and Hypocrite. As Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani was Liar and Hypocrite therefore his claim for prophet-hood was wrong. In support of it I put the reference where Mirza KAZIB used the Abusive language against his opponents(Sign of Hypocrite A MUNAFIQ). Then 2nd point was of his lie, Where he promised to write 50 volumes of Braheen-e-Ahmadia and collected fund to publish those books. After collection of fund he wrote only five books and then justified as that difference between 5 and 50 is 0 therefore 5=50 and he fulfilled his promise (A fraud and a Total lie) The third point was on one hand he told the names of his teachers from whom he got Quranic education then he claimed that "Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran" (A White lie). And in the very start I reviewed a posting of Dr Rashid where he had proved from life of Mirza KAZIB & Sacred Hadith of Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH). You instead of justifying or accepting it , started to call me with different names. Many Mirzai's passed abusive comments on me. When this trick couldn't succeed you started to quote bogus and irrelevant references. Even you didn't spare Last and Final Prophet Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH). My dear I don't want to disgrace some one. I want to investigate and disseminate the truth. I know you are helpless here. Believe me, I have no intention to hurt you, I am just telling you the truth about Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. If you are reading his books, please read them impartially. As this posting is going long therefore I will discuss it in next. May ALLAH help you to understand a truth.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 08:57:38 (EST)

This is especially for "AMIR" from Rahim Yar Khan. AMIR now i started suspecting about your origin. from your writings I have a firm belief that sometime, somehow, somewhere your MOTHER messed around with MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani, and you are definitly a bi-product of "MIRZA and Your MOTHER's " one night stand. AMIR (Kaka) tell me the truth but the whole truth, otherwise who was your real father. I hope you are not gona blame me for your coming into this world.
Qadiani Buster <AMIR@SHITYMIRZA.com>
Rahim Yar Khan, PK - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 07:43:26 (EST)

This is especially for "AMIR" from Rahim Yar Khan. AMIR now i started suspecting about your origin. from your writings I have a firm belief that sometime, somehow your MOTHER messed around with MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani, and you are definitly a bi-product of "MIRZA and Your MOTHER's " one night stand. AMIR (Kaka) tell me the truth but the whole truth, otherwise who was your real father. I hope you are not gona blame me for coming into this world.
Qadiani Buster <AMIR@SHITYMIRZA.com>
Rahim Yar Khan, PK - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 07:41:27 (EST)

My Dear Qadianis : HELP WANTED:- I am very sad about the degenerate state of your Iman. I know you do not bear much blame for it. Alkazib Mirza Ghulam and Mirza Tahir are responsible for it. As Mirza Ghulam is dead and is burning in his self cultivated hell. Now this living Ape Mirza Tahir is a prime culprit. He is betraying you on the matter on Iman and also robing lot of your income by playing with your sentiments and deceiving you by saying these are sacrifices(qurbanis) on the name of Islam (which is in fact qadianism). So he is cutting you with two edge knife (financially and spiritually). He and his family are living and behaving like royals. Watching all this, a great desire has emerge in my heart which I am eager to fulfil. I want to kick Mirza Tahir's butt so he might repent and spare you from his fitna. Please advise me how can I do that ? Do you want me to disguise as a qadiani and go to AL-Fazal and do the job. Please help me to achieve this noble objective. I will greatly appreciate your suggestions. May Allah cleanse qadianism from your hearts and bless you with Iman (Amin).
A humble Muslim <<>>
London, UK - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 06:35:56 (EST)

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wee, pee - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 19:32:23 (EST)

Dear readers: My internet is connected from college, When I pressed "send" somehow message did not go, I kept pressing while not knowing the results. I am sorry for unconvenience to brothers. My long comment to Mr. Rumy( from up)is the chosen one.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 19:26:54 (EST)

This Qadiani movement, its got to be a joke hasn't it ? Who in their right mind could possibly believe in this utter nonsense !!! There must be some very gullible people out there...
Dr. Irshad <raz101@hotmail.com>
Rochdale, UK - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 19:20:52 (EST)

Ah tail of Iblees Rumy: + Scientist researcher Sahib How r u chief. Tell Me true Are U Shia.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 18:35:54 (EST)

Mr. Rumy: I admit my fall & appologize to come between you & Mr. Shajar. But I just like to point out one thing. There was little different in my writting to Shukri And your to Mr. Shajar. What Shukri said that he was willing to discuss, WHILE was not inviting him to any discussion. Secondly,My dear brother Rumy: Why have YOU forgot your own history So quiickly. Remember that time when I picked you, you were duggling here and there. And very recently when when you Wrote brother Aziz & he Refused because you were so GOOD in adopting the language style of your old. May Allah be with you. follow my next writting.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 18:33:09 (EST)

Run Rumy Run, I wana see you how fast you can Run, Run baby Run!!! How many trees you got to jump more, Do not worry till the last drop of blood in my lungs I will keep telling you, "You are not only ignorant but Uneducated". When you called yourself scintist researcher many even Non Ahmadi did not belived. But I DID believe. But now I am thinking to give second thought on my opinion. I do not think you even use .01% of your brain, forget about 10%. Scintist reasearcher are so open minded people & always ready to accept new information and material. But how dare you are that still STUCK on kan chitta, kan chitta, kan chitta. Are you a Mad man.??? Now come to the point, First you said my refrence are not right. Dear brother this is not a new statement of which you are trying to impress me. This statement is made by MANY. You know it,s very simple, when cannot answer " quotations are not right" You are not the one Mr. Fateh is also like you, Khalid Ismai is also one, Hussan was also your fellow. I told you earlier its always easy to say "quotation are not right but to prove them is a job of real man. Why you do not prove me that my quotations are not right, I challenge you on this page. prove me BUDDY. Now next thing, The question is Did prophet Mohammad (saw) learned Hebrew Language Or Not. Answer: He did if you do not know dear. Now another thing, Why I called you SO ignorant, read this, You said that mirza sahib said prophet Mohammad (saw)nouzubillah did not know the meanings of Sura Al-Zilzal. ( Ruhani Khazizn, p 166) Ah Rumy: can't you read URDU even???. Huzzrat Mirza sahib is saying about Ulamas, And how foolish you are that even could not make difference between Ulama & My beloved Prophet of Prophet Huzzrat Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him. How dare you are ?? Show me a single word A Name of Prophet Mohammad (saw)onthis page 166 ruhani khazian vil.3 Not even word "Mohammad" Show any word on this page Ruhani khazizn 166 from any aspact EVEN word "Aap(saw)" "Rasul(saw)" Nabi(saw)" Or any other word that made you understood that Huzzrart Mirza sahib is referring to Huzzrat Prophet Mohammad (saw) Now tell me whose refrence are right????? Now lets come to Page 154 of Ruhani Khazian.vol.3 Rumy: tell me true ARE YOU O.K dear: please try to contact with some Ahmadi Doctors in Raheem Yaar Khan. O Surdar Of Foolish people: Huzrat Mirza sahib is denying the misunderstood fact. Huzzrat sahib is explainning the difference between two MO-JAZAT One is SAMAVI 2nd UQALI. Huzzrat mirza sahib is recollecting the memory of mullans like you that Hazzrat Jesus son of marry never perfomed mesmerism. It is your lack of uderstanding on this subject that,s why you are unable to understand what Hazzrat Mirza sahib is aying. If you Go to your mosque in raheem Yaar Khan And ask the Mullan about the Mo-Ajzat of Huzzrat Isa, You know very well what would be his response. Mullan will tell you all Ko Kaph's Green stories, that Huzzrat Isa use to fly soil's birds & made criple man to walking. And the more interesting is that mullan will tell you that these stories are littrally true, WHILE we Ahmadi do not believe in the sense of Littral but we do believe in metaphorical mannars. Now If you read Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writting again you would understand that basically Hazoor is proving that Hzzrat Jesus son of mary never flew soil's birds or anything like that. And He is also proving that it was not hard for those Egyption people to make a snak & other birds & then they showed them as real birds or snaks walking. As Nowadays we see in the market different toys speaks, call different names & so on. Now I hope you would be understood that Hazzrat mirza sahib is NOT attacking of being mesmerism BUT he is clearing the NAME of Hazzrat Jesus son of marry that he did not do anything against the command of Allah. Now I prove this point by giving you refrence from the Quran As Hazzrat Mirza sahib has given that non of the prophets did perform or taught mersmerism, It is just a Mo-Jza Like Quran Says "It was said to her (queen of Sheba), Enter the palace. And when she saw it, she thought it to be a great expanse of water, and she bared her shanks. Solomon said, It is a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass. She said, My Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul; and I submit myself with Solomon to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds".( Al-Namal 45) Now tell me Rumy: Was this Mesmerism ???? Or Mo-Jza. Think & read Hazzrat Mirza sabib's writting carefully before you write on this page. You seems to me swetting. Brother make yourself cool. There is frige behind your chair, take a glass of cold water. You are debating with with a 22 year old a poor boy. Imagin what will be your position when you will speak to great Ahamdi Muslim Ulama, Molana Doast Mohammad Shaid, Molana Ahmad Ali Shah, Molana Ahamad Qadiani, Molana Mubusher Qahlun. Meer Mehmood. And so on. These are the Ulama of their non-Ahmadi opponents drop their turbons on the feet of these Ulamas & left the Mosques. I,m witness of this. I have already made a map that how You people want from Ahmadi to debate with you. But for you rcollection of memmory I say it again: Ahmadi muslim should not allow to quote from quran, hadieth, history of Islam, Suhaba ,Khulfa, And great Ulama-e-Islam. When Ahmadi debating with an Ahmadi, He/she must be standing, head should be bend, shoulder should be bend, legs should be join, hand should block across, Mouth should be seal, Eyes should be close, only ear should be open And Head should be moving Up & down (right sir, right sir, Sir, absolutely sir, perfact sir,u say & cant't right NO sir, Yes Sir right Sir.) I am sorry Rumy: I am not one of those. I think you have so lack of confidence, And low dignity rate. Waslam Ali. Write me back if you are not understood anything. Please. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 18:31:43 (EST)

Run Rumy Run, I wana see you how fast you can Run, Run baby Run!!! How many trees you got to jump more, Do not worry till the last drop of blood in my lungs I will keep telling you, "You are not only ignorant but Uneducated". When you called yourself scintist researcher many even Non Ahmadi did not belived. But I DID believe. But now I am thinking to give second thought on my opinion. I do not think you even use .01% of your brain, forget about 10%. Scintist reasearcher are so open minded people & always ready to accept new information and material. But how dare you are that still STUCK on kan chitta, kan chitta, kan chitta. Are you a Mad man.??? Now come to the point, First you said my refrence are not right. Dear brother this is not a new statement of which you are trying to impress me. This statement is made by MANY. You know it,s very simple, when cannot answer " quotations are not right" You are not the one Mr. Fateh is also like you, Khalid Ismai is also one, Hussan was also your fellow. I told you earlier its always easy to say "quotation are not right but to prove them is a job of real man. Why you do not prove me that my quotations are not right, I challenge you on this page. prove me BUDDY. Now next thing, The question is Did prophet Mohammad (saw) learned Hebrew Language Or Not. Answer: He did if you do not know dear. Now another thing, Why I called you SO ignorant, read this, You said that mirza sahib said prophet Mohammad (saw)nouzubillah did not know the meanings of Sura Al-Zilzal. ( Ruhani Khazizn, p 166) Ah Rumy: can't you read URDU even???. Huzzrat Mirza sahib is saying about Ulamas, And how foolish you are that even could not make difference between Ulama & My beloved Prophet of Prophet Huzzrat Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him. How dare you are ?? Show me a single word A Name of Prophet Mohammad (saw)onthis page 166 ruhani khazian vil.3 Not even word "Mohammad" Show any word on this page Ruhani khazizn 166 from any aspact EVEN word "Aap(saw)" "Rasul(saw)" Nabi(saw)" Or any other word that made you understood that Huzzrart Mirza sahib is referring to Huzzrat Prophet Mohammad (saw) Now tell me whose refrence are right????? Now lets come to Page 154 of Ruhani Khazian.vol.3 Rumy: tell me true ARE YOU O.K dear: please try to contact with some Ahmadi Doctors in Raheem Yaar Khan. O Surdar Of Foolish people: Huzrat Mirza sahib is denying the misunderstood fact. Huzzrat sahib is explainning the difference between two MO-JAZAT One is SAMAVI 2nd UQALI. Huzzrat mirza sahib is recollecting the memory of mullans like you that Hazzrat Jesus son of marry never perfomed mesmerism. It is your lack of uderstanding on this subject that,s why you are unable to understand what Hazzrat Mirza sahib is aying. If you Go to your mosque in raheem Yaar Khan And ask the Mullan about the Mo-Ajzat of Huzzrat Isa, You know very well what would be his response. Mullan will tell you all Ko Kaph's Green stories, that Huzzrat Isa use to fly souls birds & made criple man to walking. And the more interesting is that mullan will tell you that these stories are littrally true, WHILE we Ahmadi do not believe in the sense of Littral but we do believe in metaphorical mannars. Now If you read Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writting again you would understand that basically Hazoor is proving that Hzzrat Jesus son of mary never flew soil's birds or anything like that. And He is also proving that it was not hard for those Egyption people to make a snak & other birds & then they showed them as real birds or snaks walking. As Nowadays we see in the market different toys speaks, call different names & so on. Now I hope you would be understood that Hazzrat mirza sahib is NOT attacking of being mesmerism BUT he is clearing the NAME of Hazzrat Jesus son of marry that he did not do anything against the command of Allah. Now I prove this point by giving you refrence from the Quran As Hazzrat Mirza sahib has given that non of the prophets did perform or taught mersmerism, It is just a Mo-Jza Like Quran Says "It was said to her (queen of Sheba), Enter the palace. And when she saw it, she thought it to be a great expanse of water, and she bared her shanks. Solomon said, It is a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass. She said, My Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul; and I submit myself with Solomon to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds".( Al-Namal 45) Now tell me Rumy: Was this Mesmerism ???? Or Mo-Jza. Think & read Hazzrat Mirza sabib's writting carefully before you write on this page. You seems to me swetting. Brother make yourself cool. There is frige behind your chair, take a glass of cold water. You are debating with with a 22 year old a poor boy. Imagin what will be your position when you will speak to great Ahamdi Muslim Ulama, Molana Doast Mohammad Shaid, Molana Ahmad Ali Shah, Molana Ahamad Qadiani, Molana Mubusher Qahlun. Meer Mehmood. And so on. These are the Ulama of their non-Ahmadi opponents drop their turbons on the feet of these Ulamas & left the Mosques. I,m witness of this. I have already made a map that how You people want from Ahmadi to debate with you. But for you rcollection of memmory I say it again: Ahmadi muslim should not allow to quote from quran, hadieth, history of Islam, Suhaba ,Khulfa, And great Ulama-e-Islam. When Ahmadi debating with an Ahmadi, He/she must be standing, head should be bend, shoulder should be bend, legs should be join, hand should block across, Mouth should be seal, Eyes should be close, only ear should be open And Head should be moving Up & down (right sir, right sir, Sir, absolutely sir, perfact sir,u say & cant't right NO sir, Yes Sir right Sir.) I am sorry Rumy: I am not one of those. I think you have so lack of confidence, And low dignity rate. Waslam Ali. Write me back if you are not understood anything. Please. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, N . - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 17:14:20 (EST)

Run Rumy Run, I wana see you how fast you can Run, Run baby Run!!! How many trees you got to jump more, Do not worry till the last drop of blood in my lungs I will keep telling you, "You are not only ignorant but Uneducated". When you called yourself scintist researcher many even Non Ahmadi did not belived. But I DID believe. But now I am thinking to give second thought on my opinion. I do not think you even use .01% of your brain, forget about 10%. Scintist reasearcher are so open minded people & always ready to accept new information and material. But how dare you are that still STUCK on kan chitta, kan chitta, kan chitta. Are you a Mad man.??? Now come to the point, First you said my refrence are not right. Dear brother this is not a new statement of which you are trying to impress me. This statement is made by MANY. You know it,s very simple, when cannot answer " quotations are not right" You are not the one Mr. Fateh is also like you, Khalid Ismai is also one, Hussan was also your fellow. I told you earlier its always easy to say "quotation are not right but to prove them is a job of real man. Why you do not prove me that my quotations are not right, I challenge you on this page. prove me BUDDY. Now next thing, The question is Did prophet Mohammad (saw) learned Hebrew Language Or Not. Answer: He did if you do not know dear. Now another thing, Why I called you SO ignorant, read this, You said that mirza sahib said prophet Mohammad (saw)nouzubillah did not know the meanings of Sura Al-Zilzal. ( Ruhani Khazizn, p 166) Ah Rumy: can't you read URDU even???. Huzzrat Mirza sahib is saying about Ulamas, And how foolish you are that even could not make difference between Ulama & My beloved Prophet of Prophet Huzzrat Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him. How dare you are ?? Show me a single word A Name of Prophet Mohammad (saw)onthis page 166 ruhani khazian vil.3 Not even word "Mohammad" Show any word on this page Ruhani khazizn 166 from any aspact EVEN word "Aap(saw)" "Rasul(saw)" Nabi(saw)" Or any other word that made you understood that Huzzrart Mirza sahib is referring to Huzzrat Prophet Mohammad (saw) Now tell me whose refrence are right????? Now lets come to Page 154 of Ruhani Khazian.vol.3 Rumy: tell me true ARE YOU O.K dear: please try to contact with some Ahmadi Doctors in Raheem Yaar Khan. O Surdar Of Foolish people: Huzrat Mirza sahib is denying the misunderstood fact. Huzzrat sahib is explainning the difference between two MO-JAZAT One is SAMAVI 2nd UQALI. Huzzrat mirza sahib is recollecting the memory of mullans like you that Hazzrat Jesus son of marry never perfomed mesmerism. It is your lack of uderstanding on this subject that,s why you are unable to understand what Hazzrat Mirza sahib is aying. If you Go to your mosque in raheem Yaar Khan And ask the Mullan about the Mo-Ajzat of Huzzrat Isa, You know very well what would be his response. Mullan will tell you all Ko Kaph's Green stories, that Huzzrat Isa use to fly souls birds & made criple man to walking. And the more interesting is that mullan will tell you that these stories are littrally true, WHILE we Ahmadi do not believe in the sense of Littral but we do believe in metaphorical mannars. Now If you read Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writting again you would understand that basically Hazoor is proving that Hzzrat Jesus son of mary never flew soil's birds or anything like that. And He is also proving that it was not hard for those Egyption people to make a snak & other birds & then they showed them as real birds or snaks walking. As Nowadays we see in the market different toys speaks, call different names & so on. Now I hope you would be understood that Hazzrat mirza sahib is NOT attacking of being mesmerism BUT he is clearing the NAME of Hazzrat Jesus son of marry that he did not do anything against the command of Allah. Now I prove this point by giving you refrence from the Quran As Hazzrat Mirza sahib has given that non of the prophets did perform or taught mersmerism, It is just a Mo-Jza Like Quran Says "It was said to her (queen of Sheba), Enter the palace. And when she saw it, she thought it to be a great expanse of water, and she bared her shanks. Solomon said, It is a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass. She said, My Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul; and I submit myself with Solomon to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds".( Al-Namal 45) Now tell me Rumy: Was this Mesmerism ???? Or Mo-Jza. Think & read Hazzrat Mirza sabib's writting carefully before you write on this page. You seems to me swetting. Brother make yourself cool. There is frige behind your chair, take a glass of cold water. You are debating with with a 22 year old a poor boy. Imagin what will be your position when you will speak to great Ahamdi Muslim Ulama, Molana Doast Mohammad Shaid, Molana Ahmad Ali Shah, Molana Ahamad Qadiani, Molana Mubusher Qahlun. Meer Mehmood. And so on. These are the Ulama of their non-Ahmadi opponents drop their turbons on the feet of these Ulamas & left the Mosques. I,m witness of this. I have already made a map that how You people want from Ahmadi to debate with you. But for you rcollection of memmory I say it again: Ahmadi muslim should not allow to quote from quran, hadieth, history of Islam, Suhaba ,Khulfa, And great Ulama-e-Islam. When Ahmadi debating with an Ahmadi, He/she must be standing, head should be bend, shoulder should be bend, legs should be join, hand should block across, Mouth should be seal, Eyes should be close, only ear should be open And Head should be moving Up & down (right sir, right sir, Sir, absolutely sir, perfact sir,u say & cant't right NO sir, Yes Sir right Sir.) I am sorry Rumy: I am not one of those. I think you have so lack of confidence, And low dignity rate. Waslam Ali. Write me back if you are not understood anything. Please. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, N . - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 17:13:38 (EST)

Run Rumy Run, I wana see you how fast you can Run, Run baby Run!!! How many trees you got to jump more, Do not worry till the last drop of blood in my lungs I will keep telling you, "You are not only ignorant but Uneducated". When you called yourself scintist researcher many even Non Ahmadi did not belived. But I DID believe. But now I am thinking to give second thought on my opinion. I do not think you even use .01% of your brain, forget about 10%. Scintist reasearcher are so open minded people & always ready to accept new information and material. But how dare you are that still STUCK on kan chitta, kan chitta, kan chitta. Are you a Mad man.??? Now come to the point, First you said my refrence are not right. Dear brother this is not a new statement of which you are trying to impress me. This statement is made by MANY. You know it,s very simple, when cannot answer " quotations are not right" You are not the one Mr. Fateh is also like you, Khalid Ismai is also one, Hussan was also your fellow. I told you earlier its always easy to say "quotation are not right but to prove them is a job of real man. Why you do not prove me that my quotations are not right, I challenge you on this page. prove me BUDDY. Now next thing, The question is Did prophet Mohammad (saw) learned Hebrew Language Or Not. Answer: He did if you do not know dear. Now another thing, Why I called you SO ignorant, read this, You said that mirza sahib said prophet Mohammad (saw)nouzubillah did not know the meanings of Sura Al-Zilzal. ( Ruhani Khazizn, p 166) Ah Rumy: can't you read URDU even???. Huzzrat Mirza sahib is saying about Ulamas, And how foolish you are that even could not make difference between Ulama & My beloved Prophet of Prophet Huzzrat Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him. How dare you are ?? Show me a single word A Name of Prophet Mohammad (saw)onthis page 166 ruhani khazian vil.3 Not even word "Mohammad" Show any word on this page Ruhani khazizn 166 from any aspact EVEN word "Aap(saw)" "Rasul(saw)" Nabi(saw)" Or any other word that made you understood that Huzzrart Mirza sahib is referring to Huzzrat Prophet Mohammad (saw) Now tell me whose refrence are right????? Now lets come to Page 154 of Ruhani Khazian.vol.3 Rumy: tell me true ARE YOU O.K dear: please try to contact with some Ahmadi Doctors in Raheem Yaar Khan. O Surdar Of Foolish people: Huzrat Mirza sahib is denying the misunderstood fact. Huzzrat sahib is explainning the difference between two MO-JAZAT One is SAMAVI 2nd UQALI. Huzzrat mirza sahib is recollecting the memory of mullans like you that Hazzrat Jesus son of marry never perfomed mesmerism. It is your lack of uderstanding on this subject that,s why you are unable to understand what Hazzrat Mirza sahib is aying. If you Go to your mosque in raheem Yaar Khan And ask the Mullan about the Mo-Ajzat of Huzzrat Isa, You know very well what would be his response. Mullan will tell you all Ko Kaph's Green stories, that Huzzrat Isa use to fly souls birds & made criple man to walking. And the more interesting is that mullan will tell you that these stories are littrally true, WHILE we Ahmadi do not believe in the sense of Littral but we do believe in metaphorical mannars. Now If you read Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writting again you would understand that basically Hazoor is proving that Hzzrat Jesus son of mary never flew soil's birds or anything like that. And He is also proving that it was not hard for those Egyption people to make a snak & other birds & then they showed them as real birds or snaks walking. As Nowadays we see in the market different toys speaks, call different names & so on. Now I hope you would be understood that Hazzrat mirza sahib is NOT attacking of being mesmerism BUT he is clearing the NAME of Hazzrat Jesus son of marry that he did not do anything against the command of Allah. Now I prove this point by giving you refrence from the Quran As Hazzrat Mirza sahib has given that non of the prophets did perform or taught mersmerism, It is just a Mo-Jza Like Quran Says "It was said to her (queen of Sheba), Enter the palace. And when she saw it, she thought it to be a great expanse of water, and she bared her shanks. Solomon said, It is a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass. She said, My Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul; and I submit myself with Solomon to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds".( Al-Namal 45) Now tell me Rumy: Was this Mesmerism ???? Or Mo-Jza. Think & read Hazzrat Mirza sabib's writting carefully before you write on this page. You seems to me swetting. Brother make yourself cool. There is frige behind your chair, take a glass of cold water. You are debating with with a 22 year old a poor boy. Imagin what will be your position when you will speak to great Ahamdi Muslim Ulama, Molana Doast Mohammad Shaid, Molana Ahmad Ali Shah, Molana Ahamad Qadiani, Molana Mubusher Qahlun. Meer Mehmood. And so on. These are the Ulama of their non-Ahmadi opponents drop their turbons on the feet of these Ulamas & left the Mosques. I,m witness of this. I have already made a map that how You people want from Ahmadi to debate with you. But for you rcollection of memmory I say it again: Ahmadi muslim should not allow to quote from quran, hadieth, history of Islam, Suhaba ,Khulfa, And great Ulama-e-Islam. When Ahmadi debating with an Ahmadi, He/she must be standing, head should be bend, shoulder should be bend, legs should be join, hand should block across, Mouth should be seal, Eyes should be close, only ear should be open And Head should be moving Up & down (right sir, right sir, Sir, absolutely sir, perfact sir,u say & cant't right NO sir, Yes Sir right Sir.) I am sorry Rumy: I am not one of those. I think you have so lack of confidence, And low dignity rate. Waslam Ali. Write me back if you are not understood anything. Please. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 17:08:24 (EST)

Run Rumy Run, I wana see you how fast you can Run, Run baby Run!!! How many trees you got to jump more, Do not worry till the last drop of blood in my lungs I will keep telling you, "You are not only ignorant but Uneducated". When you called yourself scintist researcher many even Non Ahmadi did not belived. But I DID believe. But now I am thinking to give second thought on my opinion. I do not think you even use .01% of your brain, forget about 10%. Scintist reasearcher are so open minded people & always ready to accept new information and material. But how dare you are that still STUCK on kan chitta, kan chitta, kan chitta. Are you a Mad man.??? Now come to the point, First you said my refrence are not right. Dear brother this is not a new statement of which you are trying to impress me. This statement is made by MANY. You know it,s very simple, when cannot answer " quotations are not right" You are not the one Mr. Fateh is also like you, Khalid Ismai is also one, Hussan was also your fellow. I told you earlier its always easy to say "quotation are not right but to prove them is a job of real man. Why you do not prove me that my quotations are not right, I challenge you on this page. prove me BUDDY. Now next thing, The question is Did prophet Mohammad (saw) learned Hebrew Language Or Not. Answer: He did if you do not know dear. Now another thing, Why I called you SO ignorant, read this, You said that mirza sahib said prophet Mohammad (saw)nouzubillah did not know the meanings of Sura Al-Zilzal. ( Ruhani Khazizn, p 166) Ah Rumy: can't you read URDU even???. Huzzrat Mirza sahib is saying about Ulamas, And how foolish you are that even could not make difference between Ulama & My beloved Prophet of Prophet Huzzrat Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him. How dare you are ?? Show me a single word A Name of Prophet Mohammad (saw)onthis page 166 ruhani khazian vil.3 Not even word "Mohammad" Show any word on this page Ruhani khazizn 166 from any aspact EVEN word "Aap(saw)" "Rasul(saw)" Nabi(saw)" Or any other word that made you understood that Huzzrart Mirza sahib is referring to Huzzrat Prophet Mohammad (saw) Now tell me whose refrence are right????? Now lets come to Page 154 of Ruhani Khazian.vol.3 Rumy: tell me true ARE YOU O.K dear: please try to contact with some Ahmadi Doctors in Raheem Yaar Khan. O Surdar Of Foolish people: Huzrat Mirza sahib is denying the misunderstood fact. Huzzrat sahib is explainning the difference between two MO-JAZAT One is SAMAVI 2nd UQALI. Huzzrat mirza sahib is recollecting the memory of mullans like you that Hazzrat Jesus son of marry never perfomed mesmerism. It is your lack of uderstanding on this subject that,s why you are unable to understand what Hazzrat Mirza sahib is aying. If you Go to your mosque in raheem Yaar Khan And ask the Mullan about the Mo-Ajzat of Huzzrat Isa, You know very well what would be his response. Mullan will tell you all Ko Kaph's Green stories, that Huzzrat Isa use to fly souls birds & made criple man to walking. And the more interesting is that mullan will tell you that these stories are littrally true, WHILE we Ahmadi do not believe in the sense of Littral but we do believe in metaphorical mannars. Now If you read Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writting again you would understand that basically Hazoor is proving that Hzzrat Jesus son of mary never flew soil's birds or anything like that. And He is also proving that it was not hard for those Egyption people to make a snak & other birds & then they showed them as real birds or snaks walking. As Nowadays we see in the market different toys speaks, call different names & so on. Now I hope you would be understood that Hazzrat mirza sahib is NOT attacking of being mesmerism BUT he is clearing the NAME of Hazzrat Jesus son of marry that he did not do anything against the command of Allah. Now I prove this point by giving you refrence from the Quran As Hazzrat Mirza sahib has given that non of the prophets did perform or taught mersmerism, It is just a Mo-Jza Like Quran Says "It was said to her (queen of Sheba), Enter the palace. And when she saw it, she thought it to be a great expanse of water, and she bared her shanks. Solomon said, It is a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass. She said, My Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul; and I submit myself with Solomon to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds".( Al-Namal 45) Now tell me Rumy: Was this Mesmerism ???? Or Mo-Jza. Think & read Hazzrat Mirza sabib's writting carefully before you write on this page. You seems to me swetting. Brother make yourself cool. There is frige behind your chair, take a glass of cold water. You are debating with with a 22 year old a poor boy. Imagin what will be your position when you will speak to great Ahamdi Muslim Ulama, Molana Doast Mohammad Shaid, Molana Ahmad Ali Shah, Molana Ahamad Qadiani, Molana Mubusher Qahlun. Meer Mehmood. And so on. These are the Ulama of their non-Ahmadi opponents drop their turbons on the feet of these Ulamas & left the Mosques. I,m witness of this. I have already made a map that how You people want from Ahmadi to debate with you. But for you rcollection of memmory I say it again: Ahmadi muslim should not allow to quote from quran, hadieth, history of Islam, Suhaba ,Khulfa, And great Ulama-e-Islam. When Ahmadi debating with an Ahmadi, He/she must be standing, head should be bend, shoulder should be bend, legs should be join, hand should block across, Mouth should be seal, Eyes should be close, only ear should be open And Head should be moving Up & down (right sir, right sir, Sir, absolutely sir, perfact sir,u say & cant't right NO sir, Yes Sir right Sir.) I am sorry Rumy: I am not one of those. I think you have so lack of confidence, And low dignity rate. Waslam Ali. Write me back if you are not understood anything. Please. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 17:05:59 (EST)

An Advice to Ahmadi brothers of Islam: If you are visiting this site with a hope to have a healthy discussion on religion then you are mistaken. Most of the regular visitors on this site (Like RUMY) have no manners or an iota of decency. Please leave them on their state and ignore this trash site. I am 100% sure that no true muslim (or even a decent human being) can imagine his/her children to go through the contents of this site. Can there be an answer to naked lies, concocted stories and dirty language. These people are burning in their own hell, so let them burn. Put you energies on something better for yourself, your family and your faith. I would like to share an advice of a non-ahmadi friend which he gave me a number of years ago on dealing with people like MUMY. In his words. 'Even the dirtiest thing in the world (human waste) settles down after some time. But if you touch it with a straw, it will show its nature again'. My dear brothers don't worry, this dirt will also settle down after a little while. If their fathers and forefathers could not stop the march of Ahmadiyyat, they will not be unable to do any thing as well. That is for sure. So please ignore them and leave people like RUMY roam in their jungle of filth. God bless you.
Tahir Mahmood Ahmed <?>
Mississauga, Ontario CANADA - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 15:58:59 (EST)

Dear Ahmadi visitors to this web page: Assalamoalakum: Please remember the following when reading this page: 1. Non Ahmadis when expressing their opinion about Ahmadis, their leaders, and their beliefs have got the right to use any type of language they desire. It may be dirty and filthy. It may be pure lies and fabrications. However, a response from an Ahmadi even though in a milder language as compared to that used by the Non Ahmadis hurts their feelings. (Like saying Kalima hurts their feelings). 2. If an Ahmadis gives a reason and a cogent argument to prove his point, it is a non-starter. Such a statement is simply ignored by the nonAhmadis and hence they have a right to say that Ahmadis don’t give a reason. 3. If a non-Ahmadi fails to respond to a question by an Ahmadi because the former has no way to reasonably answer the point then it does not matter. Other nonAhmadis can simply support by saying that a very resounding response has been given. 4. If you think, after reading comments in the guest book, that nonAhmadis are arrogant and fabricate lies against Ahmadiyyat, then “you ain’t seen nothing yet”. Just read the main articles posted on this web site. What Dr. Rashid writes about Ahmadiyyat cannot be even imagined by you. 5. NonAhmadis know every thing that is in the hearts of Ahmadis. God has given them ‘Ilem e Ghaib’. Thus they have the right to accuse you of hypocrisy when they think that what you are writing is not what is in your heart. 6. According to the scholarly research done by the nonAhmadi ulema (of the current period) Ahmadis are illiterate people who have been bamboozled into stupid beliefs by their leaders. On the other hand all non-Ahmadis are educated and paragons of virtue. Their leaders are so pure and pristine that they are zealously, and honestly teaching them true Islam (their Islam, having nothing to do with the Islam revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAS)). 7. Ahmadis have no right to call themselves Muslims because they do not have the certificates issued to them by the nonAhmadi mullahs. On the other hand all nonAhmadis have in their possession a certificate issued to them by Allah (SWA) and His Prophet. Thus they consider it a shame that the purity of the certified Muslims is being muddied by the impurity of uncertified Muslims.
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
USA - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 15:56:14 (EST)

Ali Qadiani! I couldn't understand why you Mirzai people are so rude and JAHAL? On one hand you are so rude with the comments of brother Fateh Sher and on other hand you are poking nose in talk between me and Mr. Shajar. Have you read the Card? The same behaviour I have observed in other Mirzai's viz Abdulaziz etc. Learn the manners. If you don't want to reply some one then keep quite. Look Mr. On this web every one is well come. I didn't like your rudeness. You are a young man. Be a bold person. My dear for Political and Religious discussions one should have a strong nervous system and cool temper.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 09:36:35 (EST)

Dear RAZA Brothers! ASSALAM O ALAKUM. Thanks JAZZAK ALLAH. You know ALLAH loves Patience and Politeness. You are right these Mirzai people are under direct command of Devil (SATAN). May Allah reward you with His bless.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 09:13:56 (EST)

Mr. Ali Qadiani! Mr. you are on wrong track. This is total hypocrisy. And you are playing foul. Your references are not correct. I told you early that conflicts are to investigate the truth. Alas you are not after the truth. Your mission is only one to defend the Mirza KAZIB by hook or crook. Mr. I am not lying. My references are not wrong. But you are lying. Otherwise in Holy Quran Verses numbers (6:153, 19:62, 23:3, 25:72, 28:55, 52:23, 56:25 and 75:35 abusive or idle talk is forbidden. Just read these verses (you can increase one number as you people include Bismillah) and tell me What Holy Quran says about abusive language? Then compare the language of Mirza KAZIB and commands of Holy Quran. Regarding to your reference of Hebrew language, For your kind information at that time in Syria two languages were common ie Aramaic and Arabic. Hebrew was very rare in common life. But I can understand your satanic intention behind this false reference. Mr. Ali! Don't be over smart. And learn to respect the Prophets. But how can you when Mirza KAZIB (Your devil PEER) couldn't. He said " Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) misunderstood the meaning of SURAH ALZILZAL. (Abstract from Roohani Khazain vol 3, Izzala-e-auham, p.166-167) NAOOZ BILLAH. His comments about Hazzarat Maseeh AS is " Hazrat Maseeh AS use to practice Mesmerism and was quite expert in it. (Roohani Khazain vol3, Izala-e-Auham P.254). NAOOZ BILLAH. Before you there was a Abdulaziz who was playing this type of game. If you have a time please have a look on comments of Abdulaziz Qadiani's comments in reply to a Sikh Intellectual Mr.Kalbir Singh (dated 11-7-97). Regarding to your statement about Iran based on your satanic thought. Otherwise it is not. May ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 09:02:04 (EST)

This Message is for Brother Fateh Sher: Dear Brother Fateh: Assalam O Alaikum: Looks like that some body is do not want you to be the part of debate. He/She is scared that might trigger change their mind. And they might join the right path. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. Keep up the good work brother & keep on exposing this nonsense "QADIANI" cult. May ALLAH (SWT) save you.
Amin Raza Lahori <>
- Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 07:58:26 (EST)

This Message is for Brother Fateh Sher: Dear Brother Fateh: Assalam O Alaikum: Looks like that some body is do not want you to be the part of debate. He/She is scatred that might trigger change their mind. And they might join the right ppath. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. Keep up the good work brother & keep on exposinmg this nonsense "QADIANI" cult. May ALLAH (SWT) save you.
Amin Raza Lahori <>
- Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 07:56:41 (EST)

brother Fateh: Who is inviting you in this Or any discussion??? make asure read the card first before going to host!!!!
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 06:45:24 (EST)

Mr Ali Qadiani: It is very interesting to see your style whenever somebody says something about Mirza you straight away pluck some indecent stuff about holy personalities of Islam from sky and start comparing with Abu-al-Kazbeen(Mirza). This shows us the real face and intent of qadianism. If a cristian insults some islamic personality I will defend them but I will never bring Hazray Isa (pbuh) in this discussion or comparison. This was the style of Abu-al-Kazbben (Mirza). Coming back to your point about Iran, A few friends of mine worked in Iran for number of years and I asked this question to them and they replied that it is a nonsence and they never seen any image of Hazrat Ummer(RA) or Hazrat Abu-Bakar (RA). But they confirmed in some part of Iran they had seen images of Hazrat ALi(RA) even these were banned after revolution in 1979. This kind of stuff qadiani delibrately cook and bring into the picture to secure Mirza (alkazib). This is called Munafayqat.
Fateh Sher <<>>
Toronto, Ca - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 04:46:23 (EST)

Mr. Or Ms. Shukri (i,m sorry it,s quite confusing One of my female classfellow is SHUKRI) Anyhow,Your Good News to fellow non-Ahmadies regaurding to built a new ceramic factory in Rabwah. And you pointed out that it will be UNIQUE. Sir: I am writting this note to you only to tell you that your idea might NOT be very New. There is country in this world called IRAN. In this contry cermanic factories are on each corner of the road. And the pictures on their products are of Hazzrat Ububaker, Umar, & Usman's (rz) And I hope you know very well what they to them !!!!!!!!!!
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 23:37:02 (EST)

Rumy: I told you earlier I will not take as headach wheather someone believes i,m Ali or Not. I want you to come back to debate where we left. General statements are so easy to made, but to prove them is a job of a real man ! One of your earlier comments to your brother Mr. SHAJAR you seeked helped of new material against Ahmadiyyat. Sir, Is everything Awright, you do not need to seek advice from these street Mullans, Go TO Moududi. Anyhow you still want me to prove you that Jesus sone of marry is not coming down to help you.? May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 23:25:12 (EST)

I told you earlier I will not take as headach wheather someone believes i,m Ali or Not. I want you to come back to debate where we left. General statements are so easy to made, but to prove them is a job of a real man ! One of your earlier comments to your brother Mr. SHAJAR you seeked helped of new material against Ahmadiyyat. Sir, Is everything Awright, you do not need to seek advice from these street Mullans, Go TO Moududi. Anyhow you still want me to prove you that Jesus sone of marry is not coming down to help you.? May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 23:24:35 (EST)

Dear Brother Rumi: Assalam-O-Alaikum: I am sorry that the "QADIANI" style language offended you. You are absolutly right that we the muslims and followers of MUHAMMAD (SAW) should avoid this kind of style. This kind of language, only the "MURTADDEENS" and the followers of "MIRZA KAZIB have right to use. The only problem was that we just got carried away and became little bit sentimental. May ALLAH (SWT) bless you for repremending us. I hope you went through the comments expressed by MIRZA TAHIR M> AHMED in response to someone. In his comments MIRZA TAHIR (KAZIB) accepted his relationship with "SHAITAN", when HE (MIRZA TAHIR ) said i.e. MY SHAITAN. Of Course "SHAITAN" that is Mirza Tahir's Shaitan. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. MAY ALLAH (SWT) keep Mirza & Shaitan togather till the dooms day and after.
Salim Raza <NONE>
London, UK - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 20:36:03 (EST)

Dear readers ! Please avoid the Mirza's language in your comments. Our DEEN-E-ISLAM does not allow us to use indescent language. Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani used this language in his writtings and now his followers are defending it. You just watch how these people convert the black crow in white. And pray May ALLAH give them Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 20:04:35 (EST)

RAZA Brothers ! Assalam-O-Alaikum; I appreciate that you have accepted Islam. That's a great decision. When some one changes his Deen, he has to mend his habits too. I know in Ahmadiyyet use of non-parliamentary language is a common trait. But in Islam it is not recommended. Thanks.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 19:55:17 (EST)

Mr. Shajar Ahmed Qadiani! Yeah ; One can guess how cool tempered are you. The end of your comments is reflection of your higher thoughts and cool temper. CHEEMA Sahib we RIASTEES (State people) don't accept any threat. You don't care but we care. So please bring it here if you have any material about Mirza KAZIB. And don't worry about this Web page , that's not your headache. May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 19:52:28 (EST)

Dear Readers ! Have you noticed , how many Ali's are grown up here to clarify the position of Mr. Abdulaziz Qadiani. These mushroom Ali's are addressing me with name of brother Rumy, Mr. Rumy and Rumy. I am not sure that Real Ali is included in these all Ali's or not. Anyhow May ALLAH give HADDAYET to these all Ali's.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 19:50:01 (EST)

Dear Brother Obaid ul Haq: Thank you for your comments. May Allah reward you.
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 19:49:55 (EST)

Great job Mr. Rasheed. You have started a SADQA-E-JARYA for the Diciples of Shaitan. Can any true muslim (or even a decent human being) allow his/her sisters or daughters or children to read what beautiful things are written here in the name of Islam, Allah and his great prophet. Your web page is a shame for the beautiful name of Islam. My shaitan continue to bless you.
Tahir Mahmood Ahmed <Can this site and creatures roaming here have anything to do with relegion, leave aside the pure name of Islam. >
Mississauga, Ontario Canada - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 17:13:48 (EST)

This message is for Abdul Aziz (Murtadd) and for Ali Qadiani (Murtadd), whom AbdulAziz (Murtadd) wana comfort. AbdulAziz You and your Murtadd Brother Ali are gona die in the same fashion as MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani, I mean Just some SHIT in their mouth. and believe this SHIT is gona stink the same way as it was into MIRZA MURTADD's mouth. Just wait the wrath of ALLAH (SWT) be soon around your neck. And you gona join your MIRZA (KAZIB) right in JAHANNUM eating "all you can eat SHIT" there. PLEASE PARDON MY LANGUAGE. But Still it is not as dirty as MIRZA (MURTADD) was.
Obaid Ul Haq <Shit@Mirza's Mouth.com>
Sydney, Australia - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 17:05:39 (EST)

This message is for Abdul Aziz (Murtadd) and for Ali Qadiani (Murtadd), whom AbdulAziz (Murtadd) wana comfort. AbdulAziz You and your Murtadd Brother Ali are gona die in the same fashion as MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani, I mean Just some SHIT in their mouth. and believe this SHIT is gona stink the same way as it was into MIRZA MURTADD's mouth. Just wait the wrath of ALLAH (SWT) be soon around your neck. And you gona join your MIRZA (KAZIB) right in JAHANNUM eating "all you can eat SHIT" there.
Obaid Ul Haq <Shit@Mirza's Mouth.com>
Sydney, Australia - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 17:04:34 (EST)

This message is for Abdul Aziz (Murtadd) and for Ali Qadiani (Murtadd), whom AbdulAziz (Murtadd) wana comfort. AbdulAziz You and your Murtadd Brother Ali are gona die in the same fashion as MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani, I mean Just some SHIT in their mouth. and believe this SHIT is gona stink the same way as it was into MIRZA MURTADD's mouth. Just wait the wrath of ALLAH 9SWT) be soon around your neck. And you gona join your MIRZA (KAZIB) right in JAHANNUM eating "all you can eat SHIT" there.
Obaid Ul Haq <Shit@Mirza's Mouth.com>
Sydney, Australia - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 17:03:18 (EST)

Dear Brother Ali: You have shown steadfastness and patience (Sabar). May Alah reward you. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 13:27:55 (EST)

Salaams Excellent Job Brother !!!!!! My Duaas are with you !!!!!!%Vh
Mohammad Bhayat <c94mb@dmu.ac.uk>
Leicester , Leicestershire United Kingdom - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 09:26:46 (EST)

Salaams At last there is a Home Page to oppose the Fitna of the Qadyanis. I am very impressed with your work, I make Duaa that more muslims find your home page, and for its success SalaaVh
Mohammad Snaaullah <cstc5sm@dmu.ac.uk>
Leicester , Leicestershire United Kingdom - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 09:24:07 (EST)

Dear Brother In Islam: I am one of the cousins of AMIN RAZA who just wrote his comments about MIRZA KAZIB. I am also one of the fortunate who repented from "QADIANISM" and became Muslim. ALHAMDU-LILLAH. May CURSE OF ALLAH (SWT) be on this MIRZA(KAZIB) who is putting the innocent people on the wrong path. Actually, I believe that MIRZA (KAZIB) is "SHAITAN" in disguise. I want to add on the story told by Amin Raza Lahori about Mirza Qadiani. It is about the ANAL BLEEDING of MIRZA. As a matter of fact the anal bleeding of Mirza (KAZIB) sahib was not only the result of piles he had, but also he was a GAY and some time when he (MIRZA) had anal sex with one of his deciples, he start bleeding. His deciples thought it was blessing for them to Make their MIRZA (KAZIB) bleed. LAANAT on" MIRZA" and all the "MURTADEENS"
Salim Raza <None>
London, UK - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 07:26:10 (EST)

Dear Brother In Islam: I am one of the cousins of AMIN RAZA who just wrote his comments about MIRZA KAZIB. I am also one of the fortunate who repented from "QADIANISM" and became Muslim. ALHAMDU-LILLAH. May CURSE OF ALLAH (SWT) be on this MIRZA(KAZIB) who is putting the innocent people on the wron path. Actually, I believe that MIRZA (KAZIB) is "SHAITAN" in disguise. I want to add on the story told by Amin Raza Lahori about Mirza Qadiani. It is about the ANAL BLEEDING of MIRZA. As a matter of fact the anal bleeding of Mirza (KAZIB) sahib was not only the result of piles he had, but also he was a GAY and some time when he (MIRZA) had anal sex with one of his deciples, he start bleeding. His deciples thought it was blessing for them to Make their MIRZA (KAZIB) bleed. LAANAT on" MIRZA" and all the "MURTADEENS"
Salim Raza <None>
London, UK - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 07:24:03 (EST)

Mr. Ahmadi: Brother Khalid Ismail had an excellent discussion on this guestbook with very pluasible way but of no avail. You never provided any substance to him except mis-quotes so I don't want to start this fruitless excercise with you again. Now my next question is for ALI QADIANI Sahib. Have your grand father or great grand father told you anything about the IBRAATNAAK state of Mirza's decomposed body before burial or they covered up as uuusally qadiani do ? THat single point is enough for you to leave the cult if you have some faith in truth.
Fateh Sher <<>>
Toronto, CA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 04:15:45 (EST)

Dear Mr. Fateh Sher:•Maulana Muhammad Qasim: Sufi Hazrat Abu Abdullah's view was also shared by the 19th century CE scholar, Maulana Muhammad Qasim of Nanauta (founder of the Deoband seminary) who stated: 'According to the layman, the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings on him, being Khatam is supposed to have appeared after all the other prophets. But men of understanding and the wise know it very well that being the first or the last, chronologically, does not carry any weight. How could, therefore, the words of the Holy Quran 'But he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets (33.41) mean to glorify him? But I know very well that none from among the Muslims would be prepared to agree with the common men ' Tahzeerun Nas: pg 3 This revered scholar, on another occasion, explained the true meaning of the expression Khataman Nabiyeen and stated: 'Prophets, as they are message bearers of God, are His viceregents. It would therefore, be necessary that they are endowed with Divine authority. From among the subordinate posts, the post of the governor or the minister is the highest and all other posts are subordinate to them and they can over-rule the decisions and rulings of their subbordinates; similarly there is no position higher than khatam of the prophets. Every other prophet is undoubtedly subordinate to him.' Mubahitha: pg 24/25 ln relation to the status of our beloved Prophet, upon whom be peace, as the Khataman Nabiyeen, the Maulana stated: 'If finality of the prophethood of the Holy Prophet be considered in the light of his excellent attributes and of his having reached the apex of excellence, as I have already stated, but not chronologically, and which heights no one can reach, the point of his superiority over all other persons becomes established over those who have passed away and also those who come after him. If we accept this view it shall not at all contravene his finality, even though someone in the future may rise to the high status of prophethood.' Tahzeerun Nas: pg 2Vh
Ahmadi <n.o>
USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 01:04:35 (EST)

This message is for so-called ALI from Halifax, Ali Qadiani, first of all I would request you to change your name because you are a big disgrace foor this beautiful name "ALI". Secondly what are you trying to prove just by saying that you are "HAFIZ QURAN"? You follower of a MIRZA KAZXIB, dont you know that "SHAITAN" The IBLIS, whom does Mirza Kazib follows used to be an angel, and he knows Quran too. So what is the difference between you and him? Also answer my question. If MIRZA was a Nabi then why did he die with "SHIT" in his mouth? Thirdly why are you scared of giving your e-mail address? You know why because the LIARS are always cowards. MIRZA JO HOTA KHUDA KA NABI TO TATTI MAIN GIR KAR NA MARTA KABHI
MUSLIM <MirzaKazib@Rabwah.com>
Nova Scotia, CANADA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 22:13:18 (EST)

This message is for so-called ALI from Halifax, Ali Qadiani, first of all I would request you to change your name because you are a big disgrace foor this beautiful name "ALI". Secondly what are you trying to prove just by saying that you are "HAFIZ QURAN"? You follower of a MIRZA KAZXIB, dont you know that "SHAITAN" The IBLIS, whom does Mirza Kazib follows used to be an angel, and he knows Quran too. So what is the difference between you and him? Also answer my question. If MIRZA was a Nabi then why did he die with "SHIT" in his mouth? Thirdly why are you scared of giving your e-mail address? You know why because the LIARS are always cowards.
MUSLIM <MirzaKazib@Rabwah.com>
Nova Scotia, CANADA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 22:08:57 (EST)

Mr: Rumy: I have skiped a word "NOT" in my early writing to you, When I explained to you that why Sir Zeffrullha DID NOT join the Jnaza prayer of Qaide Azem while I put the word "DID" and skiped "NOT" I am sorry you may correct that.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 21:54:42 (EST)

I feel ashamed to say that I used to be a Qadiani, but Now Alhamdu-LILLAH I am a Muslim By the Grace of ALLAH (SWT). with the help of my friends not only me but all the members of my family came to our senses and we repented from "QADIANISM". I was reading one of the books on 'Qadianism' and I came to know this stupid story about Mirza (Kazib) that Once MIRZA (KAZIB'S) Shalwar (Pants) was full of blood. Somebody asked Mirza (Kazib) sahib that what happened? where is this blood from? Mirza told him that I (MIRZA) have my monthly bleeding (MAHWARI). Mirza told that person that He(Mirza) has been created in special way that he gets his monthly bleeding (Just like women). Also once MIRZA (KAZIB) was asked byone of his cult members that what is the name of angel that bring you the message (WAHI) from ALLAH. Mirza (Kazib answered that the name of the angel that used to bring "WAHI" was "TICHI TICHI". The same angel gave Mirza (Kazib) this glad tiding that he will be getting his monthly bleeding just like women. As a matter of fact MIRZA(Kazib) had piles that used to bleed, but MIRZA (the Kazib) portrayed it as a special feature of his body. MIRZA LAANAT HAI TUM PAR AUR TUMHARAY ABA-O-AJDAAD PAR
Amin Raza Lahori <None>
- Monday, November 10, 1997 at 21:48:34 (EST)

Mr: Nadeem Faruqi: Salam Sir how are you today ?? I read your happy news regaurding two people Mr. Tahir & Mr. Aslam left Ahmadiyyat Islam. Now, I gues you fofgot to write to which Islam have they been convert ?? If you are so ignorant that still can't understand what i,m saying, then i ask you this way. Sir. Mr Nadeem would you like to tell me wheather Mr. Tahir & Mr. Aslam after leaving Ahmadiyyat Islam they have been convert to Shiaism, Wahabiism, Bravliism, Ahlehadiethism, Ahlesunnaism, Deyobundiism, Jamateislamiism and sir which ISM have they been convert. Make asure only answer my question IF you do not mind. !!!! Now Sir. Third thing that I like to say. I understand these two peoples' name were Tahir & Aslam. But what I don't understand when you said "Now their new names are Mohammad Tahir & Mohammad Aslam". My Question is were they christian before Or Jew or Hindu Or Budhust. Fourthly Mr. Nadeem Having Part of the name Mohammad represents of being Muslim. Is It ???? My name is Mohammad Ali. Am I Muslim ??????????? Ah stupid person "THINK BEFORE WRITTING"
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 21:45:30 (EST)

Kisi Shaer nay khoob kaha: ""MIRZA JO HOTA KHUDA KA NABI TO TATTI MAIN GIR KAR NAA MARTA KABHI" Does anybody from Qadiani cult has an answer for that why did Mirza Kazib died with SHIT in his mouth. Was that a coincident or IBRATNAAK PUNISHMENT from ALLAH (SWT) An Open Question for all the "MURTADEENS" JAWAB DO KAFIRO
Mirza Ghalib <Mirza Kazib @ Rabwah.com>
- Monday, November 10, 1997 at 21:27:15 (EST)

This is for Mr. Saijax (the blind folded MURTADD). That the Toilet Seats I mentioned earlier, will be given free to each member of Saijax family.
Dr. Shukri Again <the same>
- Monday, November 10, 1997 at 20:19:45 (EST)

A Good news for all the Qadiani's (MURTADEENS) I have planned to make a ceramic factory in the City of Rabwah. That factory will exclusively produce TOILET SEATS with a PICTURE of MIRZA GHULAM (KAZIB) in it. So that any time if somebody is gona SHIT or PEA in that it wil go right on MIRZA GHULAM (KAZIB's MANHOOS FACE). What an Idea. These seats will be given free to all the Qadianis. But The Muslims have to Pay for these Toilet seats. If any qadiani dont like this idea call Nirza @ 1-900-Murtadd
Dr. Shukri <Dr. Shukri@>
Toronto, ON CA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 20:15:01 (EST)

I START IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE GRACIOUS THE MERCIFULL.WELL I HAVE READ ALL THE LITTLE COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW IF I WANT I CAN CURSE YOU OUT ALL I WANT BUT YOU SEE MY LEVEL OF THINKING IS HIGHER THEN THAT OF YOU MOLWI'S OR WHOEVER YOU ARE B/C ALL THESE LIES THAT YOU TRY TO PUT IN THE MINDS OF INNOCENT MUSLIMS AND CORRUPT THEM THOUGH YOU NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE {AND NEVER WILL INSHALLAH} TO PROVE YOURSELF IN A DEBATE AGINST AN AHMDDI SCHOLAR,AND IF ANYBODY READING THIS WOULD LIKE TO RECIEVE MORE INFORMATION ON "AHMADDIYA MOVEMENT IN ISLAM"YOU CAN EMAIL ME AND I WILL INSHALLAH TRY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE LOCATION OF THE LOCAL AHMMADIYA MISSION NEAR YOUR LOCATION.MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS "SA1JAX@AOL.COM"OH AND BEFORE I GO MR.RUMMY YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC OF AHMADIYAT PLEASE EMAIL I WILL BE WAITING B/C YOU WILL NOT FIND ME JUMPING FROM ONE TOPIC TO ANOTHER AND ALSO I WILL NOT BE ILL TEMPERED I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR EMAIL....AND ALSO MR.SYED WHY DON'T YOU EMAIL B/C THERE IS ALOT I CAN ADD TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AHMADDIYAT ESPECIALLY ABOUT HUZRAT MIRZA GULAM AHMAD{HUZRAT MASSIEH EH MAOUD ALEH SLAM}..... .. ONE WARNING BEFORE I GO I REALLY DIDN'T ENJOY THIS SITE AND YOU BETTER STAY ALERTED THIS SITE MIGHT SOON BE OFF THE WEB....MR.SEYED THIS WAS ONLY A SHOW OF THE HOSTILLITY YOU GUYS CAUSE B/C YOU CAN'T SIT DOWN AND RESLOVE ANYTHING INSTEAD OF FIGHTING AND I WOULD LIIKE TO TELL YOU WHEN IT COMES TO RELIGION I DON'T CARE FOR ANYTHING..SO BE CAREFULL ABOU8T YOUR CHOICE OF THE WORDS NEXT TIME... THANK YVh
SHAJAR AHAMD CHEEMA <SA1JAX@AOL.COM>
YONKERS, NY USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 19:19:43 (EST)

Rumy: I did not know that you have so LITTLE temper. What you wrote to Mr. Aziz is abolutely dicusting. Listen, we do have differences, I cannot believe what you say, you do not believe what i say. So what !!it,s not end of the world. I will appreciate if you appologize to brother Aziz. because you blamed him of being fake. I witnes to the Lord of Abraham if I be on your place I must appologize to to the opponent.May allah be with you. Waslam Ali
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 15:48:29 (EST)

Mr. Rumy:it,s Ali Qadiani again(I,m fom Qadian, i love if some call me Qadiani) Rumy: Are the Hadieths of Bukhari wrong?? The problem is, you run from one place to another so quickly. Why you do not stand on one topic. You ran from Jnaz of Qaide Azem, That why Sir Zefferullh did join the Jnaza prayer, I have explained. You jumped from there to denying the persecution of Ahmadies in Pakistan, You jumped there to attack on mirza sahib that why he did not write 50. vols of Braheen e Ahmadiyya. From there you jumped on to attack Mirza sahib has CURSED on people and when I proved you from the Hadeiths & Islamic History, you jumped on to ask question to Ahmadies to prove you where Quran says Jesus Son of Marry will come back. And your last attack was so foolish that I could not believe that what you asked. Rumy: this is THE point ON that Ahmadiyya Jamaat Challenge to the rest of the world since last 100 years that Quran does not say that Jesus son of Marry will come back. And how dare you are asking same questions to those who believe in, of his not returning in physical mannar. Now tell me 5 are not 50???. Allah says"take them, these five are fift(bukhari,kitabulslat,first hadieth vol.1 page 50 misri) I hope you understand the incident when prophet Mohammad (saw) went with prophet Moses to reduce the # of prayers. Now ARE you happy. NEXT, Prophet Mohammad saw said "O Allh CURSE on Qurash, prophet of Allah said this three times, Then prophet said O Allah CURSE on Ubu Jehul, O Allah on Utba bin Rabiya & Shiba bin Rabiya (bukhari alkitabulslat chapter ulqiya ala zahara almusulla, vol.1 p 38 )ARE YOU HAPPY !! Now I hope you understan that when prophet of Allah befor the Dawa nabuwat went for the trade, he learned Hebrew language, Do you deny this, I am sure you do brother: do not worry I do not have refrence with me but I will prove you that too. And then I will make you HAPPY THIRD TIME. But do not forget that not only prophet Mohammad saw claimed that he has no human teacher but also Allah says that. Now brother RUMY: I want to talk to you something else. These all quotations that I HAVE HAD given you is not something I loved to. I told you earlier Ahmadi live in very critical conditions from all sides.Because they EVEN could not prove their points by giveing examples from the life of Holly prophet Mohammad (saw). I DO understand these quotations are true, but the story behind these quotation is not something that I am trying to prove you, AS SAME WAY as Huzzret Mirza sahib's Quotations. When We say that go back and Read those quotations of Mirza sahib, you people say NO , Mirza sahib said this & that. Theredore Mirza sahib is nouzubillah Liar. Now you justify youself. What you people want us is not touch the quotatios of Huzret Mohammad (saw)no matter what. Thou you people can quote Huzzret Mirza sahib and can present to the world wronfully. You people want us to give you examples & quotations from the MULLANS. Now the question rise which Mullann sahib. Bralvi, wahabi, ahle hadieth, ahle sunna, Shia, Ahle quran And so many. Tell me of which Mullan's quotation you want. Now if we say that and ofcourse we do believe in great Ulamas. But what happend then Mr. Ahmadi gave quotaions of Shaw Walliullah & other Great scollars to Khalid Ismail? You know what happend When Mr. Ahmadi proved his point on the world kHATIM * KHITAM Khalid said that if these Graet ULAMS may alive they must stand against Ahmadies and tell these bloody ahmadies that they took there wording wronfully. Come ON !! What about when you people take Huzzret Mirza sahib's wording Wronfully ?? Now tell me what you want from these poor Ahmadies? where they should GO ? We can not quote From Holly prophet (saw) we cannot quote from Quran, we cannot quote from Hadieth, We cannot quote from Suhaba, we cannot quote from Khulafa. We cannot quote from Ulama e Islam ( i do not mean Aslam Qurashi, anyway, what do u think about him?) Now Tell Me to whome should we quote?? What I undeerstand by writting you and reading this page is that WHEN a person like RUMY speaks Ahmadi should be stood up, block his/her hand across, legs should be join, Head & shoulder shoulb be bend, mouth should be closed, eyes should be closed, Head should be waving UP & DOWN ( right sir, right sir, right mr rumy, right sir) Only Ear should be open. COME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!give me a break !! Rumy: When we prove our point from the life of Holly prophet Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him It does not mean that we ahmadi do not believe in him. We do quote holly prophet (saw) we know what prophet of God meant by this. Basically we are not hyporcite But you people ARE. Now I hope you will be understood, if not write me back. Wasalm ALi
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 15:28:39 (EST)

Brother RUMY & other Readers: There is little misunderstanding regaurding brother Aziz & other Ahmadi writers. Althogh it is not important to clarify this misunderstanding. But because as an ahmadi brother I do not want Mr. Aziz to continue become abuse. Now I like to introduce myself, My name is Mohammad ALi, Father name is Fateh Ali, I am from Qadian India, I live in City of Halifax, Propvince Nova Scotia, I live here alone with other couple of friends, I am college student & also work. I am Hafiz Quran ( though I challanged Rumy to listen Quran from me & let me know wheather this Quran was revelaed on Prophet Mohammad (saw) or Nouzubill on Huzzret Mirza sahib.)He nevered accepted challenge. Anyhow,That,s all, If still some one does not believe, I will not take as my headach.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 13:20:38 (EST)

Brother Rumy: Have you become MAD ?? Anyhow you are not the one who become first time. There are hundreds who could not win from ahmadies. I was going to write you something else, but because you jump so much here & there and do not stick on one point. Therefore, now i am going to give you reasponse on your writting underneeth brother Aziz's. First of all. Go back to this page and show me where you asked me to prove you that prophet Isa (Jesus christ )will come again. Now I am gona give you the reason why I asked you HAVE YOU BECOME MAD ? Now I am quoting you from the writing underneeth Mr. Aziz's writing. You said "Once I asked you give me refrence of any verse of holly Quran where it had been said that Hazzarat Isa (Jesus Christ)will come again" Now I hope you would understood yourself Why I asked you HAVE YOU BECOME MAD? Dear brother RUMY: This is the major pillar where Ahmadiyyat stands that no son of the woman can prove that Quran ever says that prophet JESUS SON OF MERRY WILL EVER COME BACK. And how crazy you are, Asking me same Question that Ahmadies are asking to the whole word's muslim community. Now I hope you will be understood, Why I asked you HAVE YOU BECOME MAD.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 12:58:36 (EST)

Brother Rumy: Have you become MAD ?? Anyhow you are not the one who become first time. There are hundreds who could not win from ahmadies. I was going to write you something else, but because you jump so much here & there and do not stick on one point. Therefore, now i am going to give you reasponse on your writting underneeth brother Aziz's. First of all. Go back to this page and show me where you asked me to prove you that prophet Isa (Jesus christ )will come again. Now I am gona give you the reason why I asked you Now I am quoting you from the writing underneeth Mr. Aziz's writing. You said "Once I asked you give me refrence of any verse of holly Quran where it had been said that Hazzarat Isa (Jesus Christ)will come again" Now I hope you would understood yourself Why I asked you HAVE YOU BECOME MAD? Dear brother RUMY: This is the major pillar where Ahmadiyyat stands that no son of the woman can prove that Quran ever says that prophet JESUS SON OF MERRY WILL EVER COME BACK. And how crazy you are, Asking me same Question that Ahmadies are asking to the whole word's muslim community. Now I hope you will be understood, Why I asked you >HAVE YOU BECOME MAD.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 12:52:05 (EST)

Mr. Rumy: Thank you for your comments. As I said earlier I shall not enter into a discussion with you. Mirza Sahib was sent by Allah to fulfil the mission of Prophet Muhammad (SAS). As you abuse and malign Allah’s messenger, Allah will decide how to respond. I wait with you for His decree. TO OTHER READERS: All the accusations against Hazrat Mirza Sahib are responded to at the ww. alislam.org . There is nothing new in the accusations you read on this Dr. Rashid’s web page. Allegations that Mirza Sahib maligned Hazrat Issa are wrong. The quotations given to this effect are the opinions of Christians and Jews. Unfortunately opponents take those writings from Mirza Sahib’s books and the give the page numbers falsely accusing Mirza Sahib and misleading innocent Muslims.
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 12:32:00 (EST)

Mr. Abdulaziz Qadiani! I read your advice to Mr. Ali Qadiani. I admit your efforts to defend a KAZIB (Liar), MUNAFIQ (hypocrite) and false claimant of prophet-hood Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani. No doubt you have played every trick. You tried to prove him with arguments. When you couldn't succeed there, You misquoted the reference of eminent Muslim scholars. When my Muslim brother caught you there, you have adopted a new way. Then with different names you wrote different things. Sometimes you were writing dramas, some times you were writing abuses. Sometimes you were threatening us. But it couldn't work. Look Mr. Abdulaziz if I was in your shoes I might be in more trouble. You know all the time readers are not dumm like Qadianis. Now people have adopted a very bad habit of studying. They read the books. They analyse the truth. They can understand who is twisting the words. Mr. I am not saying that you are not talented person. But one what could do? When KAZIB claimant of Messiah-hood is writing himself. " What was the character of Maseeh (Jesus Christ)--- A voracious eater, drunkard; neither a God's servant nor a worshipper of God; Arrogant, Egotistical; claimant of Godhood!" (Maktoobat-e-Ahmadiyya vol.3) then he said about the family of Hazzarat Maseeh " His (Jesus Christ) family was also a pious and clean. Three of your grandmothers were prostitutes, from whose blood he was born." (Roohani Khazain vol. 11 page 290). He was so stupid that he couldn't understand that after reading this one who will be a real dumm who would accept his claim. But Mr. Abdulaziz it was you who even then tried to cover Bullshits of Mirza KAZIB. But Mr. you could save yourself from this vainness by accepting Islam. Still you have a chance to adopt right path. You know hypocrisy is a worst kind of sin and a very dangerous trait in somebody's personality. So please save yourself from this hypocrisy. It will ruin your all-good deeds too. I hope to hear good news from your side very soon. I tell you one thing that ALLAH is very COMPASSIONATE and the MERCIFUL. May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 09:21:54 (EST)

Qadianis and Muslims: I have been following all the discussions going on this guest book for long time. Qadianis are trying to justify the prophethood of Mirza but comprehensively failed to do so. Mirza was a very contradictory complex and pretending character. He tried every recipe in the text book or outside the text book to claim prophethood. Rather than sticking to one single point (i.e I am a prophet and that's it. Although there is no provision of a prophet in Islam anymore) He was so desperate that he claimed every thing (Mehdi, Mesas, Khrishna, Marry, Jesus, Noah, Ibraham (pbut).............second comming of Mohammed (SAW)). Having seen most of Mirza's books I noticed he crossed all the limits to abuse and curse his muslim opponents. Interestingly I have read lot of islamic literature written by the renowned muslim scholars around his time, Mualana Sheebli Naumani. Mualana Qasim Nanotvi Pir Mehr Ali Shah etc. I find their writing so eloquent and decent(none of them ever claimed anything except the humble muslims). Most of his life Mirza was extensively involved in doing doom predictions for his opponents. Prophet's job was to convey the message of Allah and lead the people to right path by example. Sometimes future events were revealed to them but it was a rare situation and not an objective of prophethood. Too much emphases was put on prophesies in Christianity (role of prophets is not well defined in it and every Tom, Dick and Herry start claiming prophethood. Even there are a couple of people around in Christian world today who says that they are prophets without getting much criticism from fellow Christians). Our Qadiani writers on the guestbook find themselves in such an awkward position while defending their pretender prophet Mirza Ghulam. Ironically while presenting the case of Mirza's abuses they start quoting the dodgy hadith's by saying that while in 'Namaz' Last prophet Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) was cursing his opponents (Na-auz-Zubillah). I never read this Hadith but without going into much detail I will put this tradition a dodgy and weak Hadith which one should not relies upon because it clearly goes against the teaching of Quran (Salaat is an Ibadat prayer and complete submission to Allah alone and there is no room for curses or abuses) and Our last Prophet's life was 100% in accordance to the Quran. Mirza was a pretender on all accounts and I invite all the qadianis to please critically and thoroughly look upon all his writings and actions and inshallah you will find all the truth about his forgeries and pretensions and consequently your heart and soul will reject this pretender prophet called Mirza.
Fateh Sher <<>>
Toronto, Canada - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 02:17:14 (EST)

THE LOVE OF MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI. (British Agent). " From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged, with my pen and tongue , in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love & Goodwill & sympathy for the British government and to obliterate the idea of Jehad from the hearts of Stupid (Muslims)." (LA'ANATI & Lakh LA'ANATI MIRZA GHULAM AHMED QADIANI). Thanks Muslim brothers, You have provided a lot information about this Qadiani Cult.
Ali Haider <Ah@love.com>
Copen Hagen, Denmark - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 21:39:39 (EST)

Dear Brother In Islam: Assalam-O-Alaikum: I have gone through your guest book. It is amazing that the followers of this MIRZA GHULAM (KAZIB) Qadiani does not even have moral courage to leave their e-mail address so that people can respond to their messages. They are just like their BIG LIAR PROPHET (MIRZA QADIANI) the one Who Died with SHIT IN HIS MOUTH (What a Punishment from ALLAH (SWT) for a KAZIB) SUBHAN-ALLAH SOME TIMES ALLAH(SWT) give us examples right in this world so that the others can learn lesson from that. But These "MURTADEENS" (Qadianis are blind folded) .I wana tell one story written by Mirza (KAZIB) by himself in his "Braheen-E-Ahmediya" I would say that "YADON KI BARAAT" by MIRZA. Mirza Ghulam Kazib says' That He was very fond of eating sugar for that reason he used to keep raw sugar (GUR) in one of his pocket. But On the other side he had a problem in his urinary track. He was always dripping. For that reason he used to keep some stones (WATWANIS) in his other pocket. But MIRZA (KAZIB) Qadiani had another bigger problem. He was very forgetful. So some time instead of eating sugar(GUR) he put "WATWANI" in his mouth and do "Watwani" with "GUR" (I mean dry his urinary Part with"GUR"). Oh What a prophet? I think that was curse of ALLAH(SWT) on Mirza. I hope all the QADIANIS are familiar with this real story of "MIRZA".
atibaba <atibaba@hotmail.com>
NY, NY USA - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 18:25:20 (EST)

Dear Mr. Ali. You are doing every thing to explain the words and deeds of the Promised Messiah (AS) according to the deeds and words of Prophet Muhammad (SAS). It is commendable. I have tried this in the past. What I found that Rumys, Hassans, and Khalids will repeat their allegations; as if they have not digested an iota of what you write. Leave them alone. They are Allah's creatures. He will handle them in His own way. You can only pray for them. In return for your desire to help them understand the true Islam, they will continue in their vain pesuit of maligning and persecuting Ahmadis and calling names to the Promised Messiah. The light they want to put out is kindled by the hand of Allah. They can't harm it. So let them wander in their self-imposed ignorance. I pray for you. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca Usa - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 12:37:08 (EST)

Mr. Ali Qadiani! Your quotations of AHADEES are not correct. You should think that what you are quoting, is it relevant to matter under discussion? Once I asked you give me reference of any verse of holy Quran where it had been said that Hazzarat Isa, AS (Jesus Christ) will come again. In response you quoted two irrelevant verses and now again you quoted false and irrelevant Ahadees. Your reference is not correct. Its not only you who did so. The enemies of Islam have been activated since Islam was originated. In Holy Quran these people are recalled with MUNAFIQEEN. You people just to justify the ill talk of Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani are ready to crucify whole of DEEN -E-ISLAM. If you people had a little love with Islam and Holy prophet were not quoted false sayings with his name. Do you know the worst enemy of Holy prophet was ABU LAHAB and his wife. And there is a full chapter in Holy Quran (AL LAHAB) on this Did you find any abusive word for them in Holy Quran. Then even those who had killed His beloved uncle, Hazzarat HUMZA rz, mutilated his dead body, had ripped it open and chewed a piece of his liver And Holy prophet had forgiven them. The worst experience in His life was "The tour of Taif valley" where people have stoned and injured Him (PBUH) badly. And instead of cursing them He (PBUH) forgave them with the wish of Haddayet. In hope that some one from there generation will be on right path. This was the reason ALLAH recalled Him (PBUH) with the title of RAHMATULALAMEEN " On the other hand Mirza KAZIB is father of liars (ABU AL KAZIBEEN). How much difference between these two. Therefore think before you say.
Rumy <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 08:43:57 (EST)

HAPPY ANNOUNCEMENT TWO PERSONS " TAHIR AND ASLAM " FROM BILAL PUR NOON, SARGODHA, PAKISTAN REPENTED FROM QADYANI RELIGION AND BROUGHT ISLAM AND NOW THEIR NAME WERE CONVERTED AS MUHAMMAD TAHIR & MUHAMMAD ASLAM (AL HAMDULILLAH) NOW THEIR AKHRAT HAS BECOME SAFE AND THEY SECURED THEMSELVES FROM GOING IN HELL AS QADYANI WILL GO THERE. I PRAY FOR REMAINING QADYANIS TO BRING ISLAM AS THEIR TRUE RELIGION. (AMEEN) WAMA TAUFEEQEE ILLAH BILLAH....
NADEEM A. FAROOQI <nadeem@innocent.com>
KARACHI, SI PAKISTAN - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 08:15:48 (EST)

Rumy: your last comments are really bothering me, that you said about me that on one hand I say My beloved prophet Mohammad (saw) on other hand I gave you refrences from the life of Prophet Mohammads (saw). RUMY, Tell me why I NEED to be hypocrite. Are these hadees are not true?, if they are not prove me dear!! I gave you and will give you quotes from hadees that show prophets of Allah do curse on people, for some reasons. THAT IS ALL I want to propve you. Another thing you said that Mirza sahib used this language for his own enemies. Now TELL me, What about Greatest of the greatest prophet Mohammad peace & blessing of Allah be upon him HAD NOT ??? So even if Mirza sahib has used, Then SO what ? if prophet Mohammad who was "mercy for all people" (Al'anbiya 108), now remember MERCY FOR ALL PEOPLE including people of all faiths, colour, language, race, & etc.When Prophet Mohammad (saw) has used, then what is the value of huzret mirza sahib left.!! now think what i have said. I am trying to tell you as same way as I did in the argument with you on the topic of writing 50 vols of Braheen e Ahmadiyya. Always remember the example of the Holly Prophet Mohammad (saw) is the perfect exampl, and each & every ahmadi proud to follow examples of prophet Mohammad (saw). Also when prophet Mohammad (saw) does something, remember mirza sahib's value lefts nothing but a humble servant of master.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Saturday, November 08, 1997 at 23:35:14 (EST)

Rumy: you may think that I have not answer your Immature questions. It is sataurday today, & sunday after this day. These two days I work 12 hours shift. I promise you I will be back on Monday, To teach you ABC>again. May Allah be with you.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Saturday, November 08, 1997 at 23:12:25 (EST)

Dear Mr. Mohammed, I am sorry that you have compared Ghulam Ahmed with Agha-Khan and Elijah-Mohammed. Aghanies (Ismailies) and Black Muslims maintain distinct communities. Qadianies call their worship houses Mosque and perform Azan which causing simple muslims to fall in their trap and loose their religion. They would mix among muslims and creates doubts about their faith and then make them fall apart. They would not preach among non-muslims as the basic mission of ghulam ahmed was to keep muslims from jihad against the english. Agha-Khanies and Black-Muslims preach among non-muslims and bring them a step closer towards Islam. It is the job of the Ulema to then bring Ismailies and Black-Muslims to mainstream Islam. Thus you appreciate that Agha-khan and Elijah-Mohammed have intentionally or unintentionally great service to Islam. Unlike that Ghulam Ahmed was a mere puppet of the english to carry out their political interest
Hassan <.>
., . . - Saturday, November 08, 1997 at 14:34:00 (EST)