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Ali Qadiani,Usman Murtadd, Waraich Murtadd , The Chief Murtadd and all other Doomed To Hell Murtaddeens: Continuation for My Last Cloumn: Just about the Disgraceful Death Mystry of MIRZA KAZIB. That still need to be answered by any Murtadd Scholar If HE or SHE can: INDEED MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB'S DEATH WAS A SIGN OF ALLAH (SWT)'S displeasure with Mirza. Let's review the record of MIRZA'S Disgraceful Death as recounted by his closest followers and actual witnesses of Mirza's IBRATNAAK death: MIRZA BASHIR AHMED, the son of MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB, wrote in his biography: "My mother informed me that 'the FIRST ATTACK OF LOOSENESS OF BOWELS uopn the Promised Messiah occured when he (Mirza) was at dining room table. Later, I started pressing the legsand he lay in comfert and slept and soon I too slept. After a short while, he (Mirza) again felt the call of nature and he used the bathroom a couple of times without awakening me, After this he felt very weak; he shook me up and laid down on my bed. I recommended pressing. In a few minutes he told me to go to bed but I refused and continued to press> Once againhe had an urge and being too weak to go to the lavatory, I made arrangement for him close to the bed. He (Mirza) sat down and relieved himself. Next he laid himself back on my bed and I started pressing again. His weakness grew intense; he had another motion, accompanied this time vomiting. This paralyzed him so much that when trying to lay back on bed, he fell on his backand hit his head on the bed post'. His condition alarmed me.......'" (Roohany Khazaen, Vol 1, P.11-12; Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P-109 MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB'S Father In Law , MIR NASIR NAWAB RECORDED IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY: "The Night his holiness fell ill, I was sleeping in my room. When his illness grew svere, they woke me up> I went over to his holiness and found him in great pain. He addressed me saying " I HAVE BEEN STRICKEN WITH CHOLERA". After this, he did not utter a single intelligible and coherent word till he died on Monday, after 10 'O'clock in the morning. (Hayat-e-Nasir, P-14) MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB used to say that CHOLERA is the sign of ALLAH (SWT)'s wrath on mankind for their wrong doings. It is fitting that last words were the admission that he had been stricken with the disease he (MIRZA) was so fearful of. THE WITNESS PRESENT AT HIS BEDSIDE RECORDED: "Huzoor (Mirza Ghulam) could not talk two hours before death. DR> MIRZA YAQOOB BAIG and DR> SYED MUHAMMAD HUSSEI SHAH were attending physicians. Huzoor (Mirza) asked for paper and wrote on it: " I HAVE TOO MUCH DRYNESS, I CAN'T TALK." and some other words which could not be read." (AL-FAZL. VOL 25, No. 274, Nov 24, 1937) "AS THIS CONDITION BECAME PRECARIOUS, we stayed by him and continued treatment, but his pulse stopped by 10:15 A.M., on 26th May, 1908 he breathed his last (Al-Hakam, May 28, 1908) WE CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB MIGHT HAVE FELT WHEN THE HOUR OF DEATH APPROACHED AND ALLAH (SWT) SHUT MIRZA'S MOUTH AND TONGUE SO THAT HE (MIRZA) COULD NEITHER REPENT(PROCLAIM KALIMAH) nor UTTER ANY MORE LIES. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. ALL YOU MURTADDEENS JUST READ THIS PART, THINK, TRY TO REPENT before you go through the same series of events. I WILL BE RIGHT BACK. INSHA-ALLAH.
Qadiani Buster <QadianiBuster@MirzaMurtadd.com>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 19:48:53 (EST) 


Ali Qadiani,Usman Murtadd, Waraich Murtadd , The Chief Murtadd and all other Doomed To Hell Murtaddeens: Continuation for My Last Cloumn: Just about the Disgraceful Death Mystry of MIRZA KAZIB. That still need to be answered by any Murtadd Scholar If HE or SHE can: INDEED MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB'S DEATH WAS A SIGN OF ALLAH (SWT)'S displeasure with Mirza. Let's review the record of MIRZA'S Disgraceful Death as recounted by his closest followers and actual witnesses of Mirza's IBRATNAAK death: MIRZA BASHIR AHMED, the son of MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB, wrote in his biography: "My mother informed me that 'the FIRST ATTACK OF LOOSENESS OF BOWELS uopn the Promised Messiah occured when he (Mirza) was at dining room table. Later, I started pressing the legsand he lay in comfert and slept and soon I too slept. After a short while, he (Mirza) again felt the call of nature and he used the bathroom a couple of times without awakening me, After this he felt very weak; he shook me up and laid down on my bed. I recommended pressing. In a few minutes he told me to go to bed but I refused and continued to press> Once againhe had an urge and being too weak to go to the lavatory, I made arrangement for him close to the bed. He (Mirza) sat down and relieved himself. Next he laid himself back on my bed and I started pressing again. His weakness grew intense; he had another motion, accompanied this time vomiting. This paralyzed him so much that when trying to lay back on bed, he fell on his backand hit his head on the bed post'. His condition alarmed me.......'" (Roohany Khazaen, Vol 1, P.11-12; Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P-109 MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB'S Father In Law , MIR NASIR NAWAB RECORDED IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY: "The Night his holiness fell ill, I was sleeping in my room. When his illness grew svere, they woke me up> I went over to his holiness and found him in great pain. He addressed me saying " I HAVE BEEN STRICKEN WITH CHOLERA". After this, he did not utter a single intelligible and coherent word till he died on Monday, after 10 'O'clock in the morning. (Hayat-e-Nasir, P-14) MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB used to say that CHOLERA is the sign of ALLAH (SWT)'s wrath on mankind for their wrong doings. It is fitting that last words were the admission that he had been stricken with the disease he (MIRZA) was so fearful of. THE WITNESS PRESENT AT HIS BEDSIDE RECORDED: "Huzoor (Mirza Ghulam) could not talk two hours before death. DR> MIRZA YAQOOB BAIG and DR> SYED MUHAMMAD HUSSEI SHAH were attending physicians. Huzoor (Mirza) asked for paper and wrote on it: " I HAVE TOO MUCH DRYNESS, I CAN'T TALK." and some other words which could not be read." (AL-FAZL. VOL 25, No. 274, Nov 24, 1937) "AS THIS CONDITION BECAME PRECARIOUS, we stayed by him and continued treatment, but his pulse stopped by 10:15 A.M., on 26th May, 1908 he breathed his last (Al-Hakam, May 28, 1908) WE CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB MIGHT HAVE FELT WHEN THE HOUR OF DEATH APPROACHED AND ALLAH (SWT) SHUT MIRZA'S MOUTH AND TONGUE SO THAT HE (MIRZA) COULD NEITHER REPENT(PROCLAIM KALIMAH) nor UTTER ANY MORE LIES. ALLAH-O-AKBAR. ALL YOU MURTADDEENS JUST READ THIS PART, THINK, TRY TO REPENT before you go through the same series of events. I WILL BE RIGHT BACK. INSHA-ALLAH.
Qadiani Buster <QadianiBuster@MirzaMurtadd.com>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 19:47:40 (EST) 
Kaka Usman: You wrote suggestion for Abdul Aziz, but are trying to hide your name. Why? that is the sign of a "MUNAFIQ" isnt that. You believe it or not your master MIRZA KAZIB was an agent of British Govt. who was trying to stop "JIHAD". He (MIRZA KAZIB) is the one who said that "TICHI TICHI" brought him the message that "Jihad" against "WHITE and BLUE EYED" people is not valid. Isnt that a joke. for that reason MIRZA KAZIB was given a big piece of land by the Britts. Usman (Murtadd) tell me one thing ? How did MIRZA KAZIB DIE? Give me the whole story. so that everybody should know the truth. Make sure you do not lie like your master MIRZA KAZIB. Also would you like to die just like MIRZA KAZIB? ( Just a little SHIT in your mouth). then you will be famous just like him. Go for it Usman (Murtadd).
Qadiani Buster <Usman@SHITTI MIRZA.COM>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 18:01:25 (EST) 
Kaka Usman: You wrote suggestion for Abdul Aziz, but are trying to hide your name. Why? that is the sign of a "MUNAFIQ" isnt that. You believe it or not your master MIRZA KAZIB was an agent of British Govt. who was trying to stop "JIHAD". He (MIRZA KAZIB) is the one who said that "TICHI TICHI" brought him the message that "Jihad" against "WHITE and BLUE EYED" people is not valid. Isnt that a joke. for that reason MIRZA KAZIB was given a big piece of land by the Britts. Usman (Murtadd) tell me one thing ? How did MIRZA KAZIB DIE? Give me the whole story. so that everybody should know the truth. Make sure you do not lie like your master MIRZA KAZIB. Also would you like to die just like MIRZA KAZIB? ( Just a little SHIT in your mouth). then you will be famous just like him. Go for it Usman (Murtadd).
Qadiani Buster <Usman@SHITTI MIRZA.COM>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 18:00:14 (EST) 
Attention ABDULAZIZ (MURTADD): Abdulaziz (MURTADD) you lied again just like your Master MIRZA KAZIB The Inventor of QADIANI FITNAH. I am telling you again and again that YOU are the second or Third biggest liar alive right now after MIRZA TAHIR (The Chief Murtadd). For your Info. My Dear Father is very much Alive (ALHAMDU-LILLAH) and is in very good health (By The Grace of ALLAH S.W.T). By the Way He is the one who has witnessed the shameful death of MIRZA KAZIB in VERY MUCH DISGRACE i mean (WITH PLENTY OF SHIT IN MIRZA'S MOUTH) tell me was that a punishment from ALLAH (SWT) for MIRZA KAZIB or you would call that BLESSING for MIRZA KAZIB. I am telling you again and again that my father has witnessed the DISGRACEFUL DEATH OF YOUR MIRZA KAZIB. Tell me the truth but the whole truth about this event.ABDUL AZIZ still it is time for you to repent or You are gona die just like MIRZA MURTADD. Very horrifying and disgraceful death. Just imagine for a second.
Qadiani Buster <AbdulAziz@ShittyMirza.Com>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 17:51:12 (EST) 
Attention ABDULAZIZ (MURTADD): Abdulaziz (MURTADD) you lied again just like your Master MIRZA KAZIB The Inventor of QADIANI FITNAH. I am telling you again and again that YOU are the second or Third biggest liar alive right now after MIRZA TAHIR (The Chief Murtadd). For your Info. My Dear Father is very much Alive (ALHAMDU-LILLAH) and is in very good health (By The Grace of ALLAH S.W.T). By the Way He is the one who has witnessed the shameful death of MIRZA KAZIB in VERY MUCH DISGRACE i mean (WITH PLENTY OF SHIT IN MIRZA'S MOUTH) tell me was that a punishment from ALLAH (SWT) for MIRZA KAZIB or you would call that BLESSING for MIRZA KAZIB. I am telling you again and again that my father has witnessed the DISGRACEFUL DEATH OF YOUR MIRZA KAZIB. Tell me the truth but the whole truth about this event.ABDUL AZIZ still it is time for you to repent or You are gona die just like MIRZA MURTADD. Very horrifying and disgraceful death. Just imagine for a second.
Qadiani Buster <AbdulAziz@ShittyMirza.Com>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 17:50:53 (EST) 
Attention ABDULAZIZ (MURTADD): Abdulaziz (MURTADD) you lied again just like your Master MIRZA KAZIB The Inventor of QADIANI FITNAH. I am telling you again and again that YOU are the second or Third biggest liar alive right now after MIRZA TAHIR (The Chief Murtadd). For your Info. My Dear Father is very much Alive (ALHAMDU-LILLAH) and is in very good health (By The Grace of ALLAH S.W.T). By the Way He is the one who has witnessed the death of MIRZA KAZIB in VERY MUCH DISGRACE i mean (WITH PLENTY OF SHIT IN HIS MOUTH) tell me was that a punishment from ALLAH (SWT) for MIRZA KAZIB or you would call that BLESSING for MIRZA KAZIB. I am telling you again and again that my father has witnessed the DISGRACEFUL DEATH OF YOUR MIRZA KAZIB. Tell me the truth but the whole truth about this event.ABDUL AZIZ still it is time for you to repent or You are gona die just like MIRZA MURTADD. Very horrifying and disgraceful death. Just imagine for a second.
Qadiani Buster <AbdulAziz@ShittyMirza.Com>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 17:47:58 (EST) 
Mr. Aziz you are Not doing right thing. You are giving a person an opportunity to speak & write against Ahamdiyyat & HAzzrat Mirza Sahib. I was Not expecting from from you this. Leave him Alone. Don't you see he is BANDH, He clapes afterword.
Unknown <<>>
Pakistan - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 14:27:39 (EST) 
The Aligation on Hazzrat Mirza Sahib & Jma'ate Ahamdiyya of being trattor to Brithis is not true. The question is, If Hazzrat Sahib has say something which was true, Enenmies of Ahmadiyyat Islam picked up against him. Why you people DO NOT read writtings of ULMA -e-ISLAM of that time. These Molivies Like Moududi were so against of Pakistan & Independent Pakistan that they used to call Qaid-e-Azam trattor against their master British. And EVEN called Pakistan PLEADISTAN. Why you people do not read that. I hope you do not become blind at that moment!! Or even Disagree with that then try to read Alama Iqbal's writtings about Queen Victoria & Brithis as whole.
Usman <<>>
Rabwah, - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 14:20:17 (EST) 
Dear Readers: Some of the writers unjustly accuse Hazrat Mirza Sahib (AS) of being a British agent. If you are really interested in finding the truth, please visit the Ahmadiyya web page ww.alislam.org . This false allegation is fully responded to there. This will also show you how lies have been used by non-Ahmadi activists to malign Ahmadis. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 11:42:11 (EST) 
Mr. so-called Qadiani Buster: I think I ought to give you a strong reason to help you understand the circumstances of Hazrat Mirza Sahib's death. I shall call it drawing a parallel. I used it previously also on this page. I think you did not read it. Mr. Buster let me allege that your father died of syphilis. Now please tell me what type of evidence you will bring forth to prove that it did not happen so. After reading your answer, Insha Allah I shall provide you similar evidence that Hazrzt Mirza Sahib (AS) did not die the way you have been writing on this page again and again. I wait for your answer. Thank you. (My apologies in advance. I am trying to help you understand a reality withour any disrespect for your father.%Vh
Abdul Azi <n.r.>
Ca USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 11:27:48 (EST) 
My Dear Brother RUMY: Assalam O Alaikum: Keep on BUSTING QADIANI ASSES. YOU are doing a real good Job. Make sure when you BUST any QADIANI ASS, That MURTADD should not claim that he is getting MENSES like their MURTADD MASTER (MIRZA KAZIB(. Just Make sure.) They are Just a bunch of LIARS, MURTADDS and DOOMED TO HELL. The HELL was made for all these QADIANIS and their MASTER MIRZA MURTADD. I am very much sure about that. Keep up the Good Work. Keep on BUSTING QADIANI ASSES. Make sure they are BUSTED " WELL DONE" I am really Proud of YOU>
Qadiani Buster <>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 08:17:30 (EST) 
My Dear Brother RUMY: Assalam O Alaikum: Keep on BUSTING QADIANI ASSES. YOU are doing a real good Job. Make sure when you BUST any QADIANI ASS, That MURTADD should not claim that he is getting MENSES like their MURTADD MASTER (MIRZA KAZIB(. Just Make sure.) They are Just a bunch of LIARS, MURTADDS and DOOMED TO HELL. The HELL was made for all these QADIANIS and their MASTER MIRZA MURTADD. I am very much sure about that. Keep up the Good Work. Keep on BUSTING QADIANI ASSES. Make sure they are BUSTED " WELL DONE" I am really Proud of YOU>
Qadiani Buster <>
Rabwah, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 08:16:54 (EST) 
Mr. Ali Qadiani ! You are very funny man.
Tichi Tichi <tichi@shitymirza.com>
Ca, USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 08:11:19 (EST) 
THE ENEMIES OF BRITISH GOVERNMENT WERE ENEMIES OF MIRZA KAZIB:_____ ANOTHER PROOF THAT MIRZA KAZIB GHULAM A QADIANI WAS AGENT OF BRITISH GOVERNMENT.________. After failure of his Anti JEHAD movement in Afghanistan and NWFP. He started to write against PATHANS and declared them to be Jews. He said _____" PATHANS are Jews because….. He (Mirza Kazib) heard from his forefathers that PATHANS are of Jewish origin.____ Their dresses are like those of Jews.____ Their features resemble so closely to the Jews that if both are standing side by side, they would seem to be of same family._____ Their customs also resemble Jewish traditions. For example, before marriage their girls roam around and talk freely with their boy-friends, so much so that in some cases if they become pregnant, they laugh it off. Roaming around of Hadrath Maryam with her fiance, Yousaf Najjar is a strong proof of this custom._____ Their temperament also resembles Jewish nature. Frontier Pathans brusqueness, volatility, selfishness, bloodthirstiness, rudeness, crookedness and other vile manners, murderous thoughts, illiteracy and ignorance; ____ These are the same qualities mentioned in old testament and Scriptures for Israeli nation. If you read the character, behaviour, mannerism and conduct of Bani-Israel in Surah Baqarah of Holy Quran, it would seem as if it was describing the character of Frontier Afghans/Pathans." (Roohani Khazain vol, 14, p 300). __ Dear readers! After reading this paragraph of roohani khazain it seemed to me that Mirza Kazib had never seen the Pathans. Just to make his British Masters happy Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani was ready to do every thing as he was their agent. Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani was a liar and Hypocrite. May ALLAH give them Haddyet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 08:04:35 (EST) 
Mr. Waraich Mirzai ! Do you know why I say most of the followers of Mirza Kazib Ghulam a Qadiani are hypocrite (Munafiq). Because You Mirzai's always detract the people from original point. Usually your quotations are bogus. You answers are not reply of actual questions. Here I told you story of a prophecy got from your roohani khazain (a collection of all mirza Kazib's work by his followers). In that I didn't raise a question of if Mirza Sultan Muhammad accepted Qadianiat or not. But you replied an unasked question. My point of view telling that story is very simple. That when Mirza Kazib himself said " THIS SHOULD BE CLEAR TO PEOPLE THAT THERE CAN BE NO BETTER CRITERION OF TESTING OUR TRUTH OR FALSEHOOD THAN OUR PROPHECY" (Izala-e-Auham, p 198). ___ Then I presented two or three prophecies of him about his marriage with Muhammadi Begum. ___ Then his (Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani) own saying " I SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THE PROPHECY ABOUT SON-IN-LAW OF AHMED BEG IS ASSUREDLY PREDESTINED. WAIT FOR IT. IF I AM A LIAR, THIS PROPHECY WILL NOT BE FULLFILLED AND MY DEATH WILL COME." (Anjam-e-Atham, p31n). _______. And this prophecy never fulfilled and Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani died with Cholera on 26th may 1908. While Muhammadi Begum and her husband lived happily & peacefully for the next 40 years. _________ Now either reject it or accept it. Nothing is from me side all is from Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani's writings. In reply of this there is no need of bogus and twisted references. Just live in Mirza's own wordings and analyse the truth. He himself fixed the criteria of his truthfulness. Unfortunately or fortunately if he could not achieve the own fixed criteria of truthfulness then why you people are blaming the others? My philosophy is very simple, when someone himself has asked the people to testify his truth from his prophecy then there is no need to go anywhere else. You know the common Urdu saying that to hide one lie you need to say 100 more lies. My dear don't hide the lies of Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani. This is hypocrisy. Save yourself from hell and leave this dirt job. May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 08:01:46 (EST) 
My Brother In Islam: FATEH SHER: You are really a "SHER" of ALLAH. all my Prayers are with you Brother. May ALLAH (SWT) give you power to EXPOSE and DEMOLISH this QADIANI FITNAH (AMEN). There is no doubt that MIRZA KAZIB was a LIAR, KAFIR, MURTADD and THE MOST DISGRACED PERSON on This EARTH. MORE DISGRACED THAN "IBLEES"
Qadiani Buster <>
XXX, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 07:32:12 (EST) 
My Brother In Islam: FATEH SHER: You are really a "SHER" of ALLAH. all my Prayers aare with you Brother. May ALLAH (SWT) give you power to EXPOSE and DEMOLISH this QADIANI FITNAH (AMEN). There is no doubt that MIRZA KAZIB was a LIAR, KAFIR, MURTADD and THE MOST DISGRACED PERSON on This EARTH. MORE DISGRACED THAN "IBLEES"
Qadiani Buster <>
XXX, PK - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 07:31:37 (EST) 
Ali From Felifax: ALI the MURTADD: I am glad at least you accepted the MENSTURATION problem of your MIRZA KAZIB. But dont compare him MIRZA KAZIB) with the normal men. May be you and other MURTADEENS like you get the MENSES too, but do not compare the MUSLIM UMMAH with MIRZA MURTADD and other other MURTADDEENS Like you. May be that is another curse of ALLAH (SWT) on the QADIANIS that all the QADIANI MEN get MENSES like their FALSE, LIAR, and MURTADD PROPHET "MIRZA KAZIB" MAY ALLAH (SWT) give you and other QADIANI MEN along with "MIRZA TAHIR" menses every day. Amen By the Way Still you did not answered my question if You WANA DIE the way MIRZA KAZIB died, with CHOLERA, and a little bit SHIT in your mouth. MUSLIM UMMAH is still waiting for your answer. Believe it they will pray for your wish to come true, and YOU will definitely get it, THE MIRZA WAY. TRY IT BABY
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.com>
Ontario, Canada - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 07:23:58 (EST) 
Ali From Felifax: ALI the MURTADD: I am glad at least you accepted the MENSTURATION problem of your MIRZA KAZIB. But dont compare him MIRZA KAZIB) with the normal men. May be you and other MURTADEENS like you get the MENSES too, but do not compare the MUSLIM UMMAH with MIRZA MURTADD and other other MURTADDEENS Like you. May be that is another curse of ALLAH (SWT) on the QADIANIS that all the QADIANI MEN get MENSES like their FALSE, LIAR, and MURTADD PROPHET "MIRZA KAZIB" MAY ALLAH (SWT) give you and other QADIANI MEN along with "MIRZA TAHIR" menses every day. Amen By the Way Still you did not answered my question if You WANA DIE the way MIRZA KAZIB died, with CHOLERA, and a little bit SHIT in your mouth. MUSLIM UMMAH is still waiting for your answer. Believe it they will pray for your wish to come true, and YOU will definitely get it, THE MIRZA WAY. TRY IT BABY
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.com>
Ontario, Canada - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 07:22:48 (EST) 
Ali From Felifax: ALI the MURTADD: I am glad at least you accepted the MENSTURATION problem of your MIRZA KAZIB. But dont compare him MIRZA KAZIB) with the normal men. May be you and other MURTADEENS like you get the MENSES too, but do not compare the MUSLIM UMMAH with MIRZA MURTADD and other other MURTADDEENS Like you. May be that is another curse of ALLAH (SWT) on the QADIANIS that all the QADIANI MEN get MENSES like their FALSE, LIAR, and MURTADD PROPHET "MIRZA KAZIB" MAY ALLAH (SWT) give you and other QADIANI MEN along with "MIRZA TAHIR" menses every day. Amen By the Way Still you did not answered my question if You WANA DIE the way MIRZA KAZIB died, with CHOLERA, and a little bit SHIT in your mouth. MUSLIM UMMAH is still waiting for your answer. Believe it they will pray for yopur wish to come true, and YOU will definitly get it, THE MIRZA WAY. TRY IT BABY
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.com>
Ontario, Canada - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 07:21:46 (EST) 
Ali From Felifax: ALI the MURTADD: I am glad at least you accepted the MENSTURATION problem of your MIRZA KAZIB. But dont compare him with the normal men. May be you and other MURTADEENS like you get the MENSES too, but do not compare the MUSLIM UMMAH with MIRZA MURTADD and other other MURTADDEENS Like you. May be that is the curse oof ALLAH (SWT) on the QADIANIS that all the QADIANI MEN get MENSES like their FALSE, LIAR, and MURTADD PROPHET "MIRZA KAZIB" MAY ALLAH (SWT) give you and other QADIANI MEN along with "MIRZA TAHIR" menses every day. Amen
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.com>
Ontario, Canada - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 07:17:00 (EST) 
· Mr Ali Qadiani: First of all the funny explanations you provided for Mirza's pregnancy and rebirth are not even worthy of answering. This great Kazib tried to plagiarised from Quran and Sunnah but end up in mess. First of all lets discuss the ayat 12 of Surah Tahrim Here is a translation from Allama Muhammad Asad "And {We have propounded yet another parable of God consciousness in the story of] Mary, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity whereupon We breathed of Our spirit into that[ which was in her womb} and who accepted the truth of her Sustainer's words - and thus of His revelations and was one of truly devout" (66:12). This ayat is telling us that Allah who is the creator of the Universe, initiates life in this case it is indication of Hazrat Isa's (pbuh) creation in Hazrat Mariam. And the same words (( breathed into him of My spirit : see 15:29 & 38:72) are used for Hazrat Adam and his parable (which infact applies to Ya Bani Adam for the entire mankind). This simply tells that Allah gives life to every Human being.. Now you tell me when Allah breath into Adam his spirit means Hazrat Adam got pregnant (Na-Ouz-Zubillah) It means Allah gave him Life. You qadianis corrupted the entire meaning and context of this term. Allah is above and beyond any human limitation (Male or Female) and he can create any thing with Kun-fa_ya_Koon. From where Mirza concocted this power of Allah's manliness which are exhibited into him. Sure he was a Liar and Fabricator and you are nothing but the lost souls who feast on the corrupted and half baked interpretations of Mirza Kazib, Mirza Tahir and his crooked team.
Fateh Sher <<>>
Toronto, Canada - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 06:48:19 (EST) 
Mr. Fateh: I know You did not mentioned this point in your writting, I guess you might not be aware of it. But this is an also a part of same converstation, That menses (Haize) used to come on Hazzrat Mitza Sahib. Before going further lets read this Hadieth from (ruhul-byan vol.1 p236) The menstration of women that can be seen, is bad for their faith, It keeps them away from prayer & fasting. Exactly menstration which comes on MEN also is bad for their faith & keeps them away from prayer. In other words Sofiya & ULAMA will call this situation that menstration comes on him". NEXT: By not understandind this simple theory, Many non-Ahamdies say, Is there any example that any prophet used word "menses" for MEN.________Yes:______Lets read this Hadieth of Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) says " Al-Kazebo Haiz-ur-rajel, Wal-Astagfaro Taharatahuu" Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said " Lie is The Menstration of Men And calling for mercy is his Ta-Haret" (Wailmi p161 Line 17 narrator Hazzrat Sulman rz) Now I hope you will be understood the whole concept of Menstration. The revolution of HAzzrat Mirza Sahib was only this, "his enemy wants to see him in Lie Or any other habbit". But Allah will take of you and there is non bad habbit that anyone can see in you. Hazzrat Mirza Sahib never wrote that Menstraion came on me. HAzzrat Mirza Sahib explain the ALHAM of Menses in Arba-een, What Allah said " These people wants to see you in menstraion of blood, Meaning Napaki, Pladi & Khabasat wants to see". (Arba een # 4 p19) Now you must Understand in Alaham of HAzzrat Mirza Sahib The menstartion of Women is sould not be understood. It was Menstration Of Men. Which means prople Or enemies Wants to see him In Worst Bad Habbits.
Ali <<>>
Toronto, - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 00:45:04 (EST) 
AbdulAziz; Dont be sentimental. read the whole thing carefully, again and again, use your brain, if it is still working, think about the event (Mirza KAZIB'S) miserable and dreadful and IBRATNAAK death, and if you need some help call "TICHI TICHI" may be he will remember the whole event. Or ask Chief Murtadd(Mirza Tahir) because Mirza Kazib used to tell him all the stories about "TICHI TICHI" when he was a kid. "MIRZA JO HOTA KHUDA KA NABI TO TATTI MAIN GIR KAR NA MARTA KABHI"
Qadiani Buster <>
Rabwah, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 21:08:40 (EST) 
AbdulAziz; Dont be sentimental. read the whole thing carefully, again and again, use your brain, if it is still working, think about the event (Mirza KAZIB'S) miserable and dreadful and IBRATNAAK death, and if you need some help call "TICHI TICHI" may be he will remember the whole event. Or ask Chief Murtadd(Mirza Tahir) because Mirza Kazib used to tell him all the stories about "TICHI TICHI" when he was a kid. "MIRZA JO HOTA KHUDA KA NABI TO TATTI MAIN GIR KAR NA MARTA KABHI"
Qadiani Buster <>
Rabwah, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 21:07:27 (EST) 
Abdul Aziz: You lied again just like your master MIRZA KAZIB.You made up the story again. There were no manholes at the time of MIRZA and after,In Chiniot, the time you are talking about. Again you skipped the MAIN event intentionaly. You did not give the detail of IBRATNAAK & MISERABLE DEATH OF MIRZA KAZIB.WHY? do you feel ashamed or what. Tell me how did MIRZA KAZIB DIED? Just In your own words. I wana see how much LIE you can write or tell. Because this event is on the record. Everybody knows THE WHOLE TRUTH (HOW DID MIRZA DIE). I Believe that you know the whole story too. Unles you believe in "CROW IS WHITE" policy.
Qadiani Buster <UMTUL@shitty Mirza.com>
Rabwah, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 21:00:04 (EST) 
Abdul Aziz: You lied again just like your master MIRZA KAZIB. the made up the story again. Also there were no manholes at the time of MIRZA and after, the time you are talking about. Also you skipped the MAIN event again. You did not give the detail of IBRATNAAK & MISERABLE DEATH OF MIRZA KAZIB. do you feel ashamed or what. Tell me how did MIRZA KAZIB DIED? In your own words. I wana see how much LIE you can write or tell. Because this is on the record. Everybody knows THE WHOLE TRUTH. I Beliweve that you know the whole story that how did MIRZA KAZIB DIED. Unles you believe in "CROW IS WHITE" policy.
Qadiani Buster <UMTUL@shitty Mirza.com>
Rabwah, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 20:55:59 (EST) 
Dear Mr. so-called Qadini Buster: I am afraid I cannot enter into a debate with you because you will not use logic. The only tool you have is your indecent language. However, I shall answer your question. I shall love to die like my master Mirza Ghula Ahmad (AS). When he died Allah (SWA) was pleased with him and he was pleased with Allah. To his death applies the last part of sura 'Al-Fajr'. Please pray that I die the same death. However, I shall warn you against using the foul language you have been using against Mirza Sahib. A few years ago a mullah from Chiniot used to use your language. Allah's wrath seized him. He fell in a manhole in the sewage system. He died tasting the shit of the whole city in his mouth. In fact his whole digestive and breathing system was full of shit. Remember sir, Allah's punishment is very swift and severe. WassalaamVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 20:32:36 (EST) 
So-Called ALI The Murtadd: You like to write long letters with all the MIRZAI nonsense, looks like that you get paid well by MIRZA TAHIR (The Chief Murtadd). Why dont you write a details about "MIRZA KAZIB'S " DISGRACEFUL, SHAMEFUL, DREADFUL, IBRATNAAK DEATH. I MEAN When the SHIT came out of his mouth. I Just like to hear the whole story from your mouth. ALI (MURTADD) I have a question for you. Would you like to die the same way MIRZA MURTADD DIED? I mean Just a little SHIT in your mouth? What the heck. at least It will be an honor for you just like MIRZA MURTADD> Please Say YES> Dont break my Heart. ALI (MURTADD) I have another question. I believe you are a MURTADEEN'S SCHOLAR and you must have answer for this. The question is: That When MIRZA KAZIB was dying with SHIT in his mouth, how come the "TICHI TICHI" did not come to save him(The MIRZA) ? Do you thing it was too much bad smell of MIRZA'S SHIT that "TICHI TICHI" could not stand or HE (TICHI TICHI) was busy in doing something else. I believe you must have an answer for this Simple question. Just dont tell Chief Murtadd (Mirza Tahir) that you are gona answer this question.
Qadiani Buster <Umtul@ShittyMirza.com>
Rabwah/Halifax, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 20:30:22 (EST) 
So-Called ALI The Murtadd: You like to write long letters with all the MIRZAI nonsense, looks like that you get paid well by MIRZA TAHIR (The Chief Murtadd). Why dont you write a details about "MIRZA KAZIB'S " DISGRACEFUL, SHAMEFUL, DREADFUL, IBRATNAAK DEATH. I MEAN When the SHIT came out of his mouth. I Just like to hear the whole story from your mouth. ALI (MURTADD) I have a question for you. Would you like to die the way MIRZA MURTADD DIED? I mean Just a little SHIT in your mouth? at least It will be just like MIRZA MURTADD> Please Say YES> Dont break my Heart. ALI (MURTADD) I have another question. I believe you are a MURTADEEN'S SCHOLAR and you must have answer for this. The question is: That When MIRZA KAZIB was dying with SHIT in his mouth, how come the "TICHI TICHI" did not come to save him(The MIRZA) ? Do you thing it was too much bad smell of MIRZA'S SHIT thatt "TICHI TICHI" did not come close to his body or HE (TICHI TICHI) was busy in doing something else. I believe you must have an answer for this Simple question. Just dont tell Chief Murtadd (Mirza Tahir) that you are gona answer this question.
Qadiani Buster <Umtul@ShittyMirza.com>
Rabwah/Halifax, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 20:25:04 (EST) 
Oh Disgraced Murtadd WARAICH: May CURSE OF ALLAH(SWT) be upon you ALL THE TIME. Why You keep on comparing a KAZIB, LIAR and MURTADD to our Lovely Prophet ISA and His Respected Mother MARYAM. Just Look at MIRZA'S Disgraceful and IBRATNAAK DEATH, (Just think for a moment SHIT IN YOUR MOUTH) can you imagine that for a second. Do You wana die the same way as MIRZA KAZIB DIED? If you want I will pray to ALLAH (SWT) that you (Waraich) should die the same way as MIRZA KAZIB DIED i mean just a little SHIT in your mouth. is that OK for you Waraich KAKA? Tell me I am eagerly waiting to hear from you. Give me your option Baby.
Qadiani Buster <UMTUL@shitty Mirza.com>
Rabwah, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 19:51:28 (EST) 
Oh Disgraced Murtadd WARAICH: May CURSE OF ALLAH(SWT) be upon you ALL THE TIME. Why You keep on comparing a KAZIB, LIAR and MURTADD to our Lovely Prophet ISA and His Respected Mother MARYAM. Just Look at MIRZA'S Disgraceful and IBRATNAAK DEATH, (Just think for a moment SHIT IN YOUR MOUTH) can you imagine that for a second. Do You wana die the same way as MIRZA KAZIB DIED? If you want I will pray to ALLAH (SWT) that you (Waraich) should die the same way as MIRZA KAZIB DIED i mean just a little SHIT in your mouth. is that OK for you Waraich KAKA? Tell me I am eagerly waiting to hear from you. Give me your option Baby.
Qadiani Buster <UMTUL@shitty Mirza.com>
Rabwah, PK - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 19:50:21 (EST) 
Mr. Ali: another point that will might be helpfull to understand for the questioner. Questioner said that mirza sahib relates that "Allah expred in me his manliness" Now see the Quranic verse Al-Tahrim 13 Where Allah said " We breathed into her (Maryam) Or Spirit and She fulfilled the prophecy" Now Ask this Man to TELL you WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Any person can raise his evil thinking as these people are doing agasint HAzzrat Mirza Sahib that ALLAH HAD EXPRESSED HIS MANLINESS INTO MARY (nouzubillah) Now, IF Allah CAN & DID expressed his manliness according to questioner to WOMAN then why he cannot this to MAN. Now if this Questioner Does Not believe that Allah expressed his manliness into Mary THEN he has to admit that Allah did not expressed his manliness into Hazzrat Mirza Sahib. The thing that we need to understand here is that the word that is used most common, In Quran & In Mirza Sahib's writtings Is "SPIRIT" And Spirit is not manliness (atlest from ahmadiyya point of view) NOw, I just like to make some additional points, regaurding Spiritual Pregnency of HAzzrat Mirza Sahib. And Maryami Attribute & Isvi Attribute. This can be understood in this concept. Maryami Attribute means "Perfect tighteousness" ISVI Atrributes are "PROPHET HOOD" The example of HAzzrat Mary given here because she was a perfect lady who tookcare of her chastity. And When Hazzrat Mirza Sahib said that he became Spiritually pregnent(Kisht-e-Noah 47). It need to understand, Prophet Cannot be a prophet unless he is NOT righteous. Now first, to be righteous Allah gave example of Hazzrat Maryam to Mirza Sahib. And then TO become prophet, The example of Jesus was given. Now again the Question rises, Why the example of Mary & her was given particularly. The thing is who needed to come, A prophet who will be Law bearing, NO. A prophet who will bring new faith, NO. It was wait of A Mesiha to whole world. And which Mesiha, Same who was son of Mary. Definately, DEAD people CANNOT raise & DO NOT RAISE, THUS it was an example in mataphorical amnners that was given to Hazzrat Mirza Sahib.
A.. Waraich <<>>
<>, - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 19:14:53 (EST) 
This is for MURTAD ABDUL AZIZ from California: Abdul Aziz (Murtadd) you talked about the HEAT but you did not talk about the actual stuff. The Disgraceful and miserable death of MIRZA KAZIB. Do you remember when he (Mirza) died with Shit in his mouth? I think you Murtadeens feel ashamed to talk about that event. May be you feel disgusted when you think about the SHIT in somebody's mouth especially when you worship some one like (MIRZA MURTADD). Just imagine for a second the picture of MIRZA dying in disgrace, with shit coming out of his (MIRZA'S) mouth, nobody wana pick up his stinking body, only few "BHANGIS" helped to remove that stinking body. Do you think those BHANGIS will be rewarded by ALLAH (SWT) for that job well done (Removal of Mirza's Body). Or may be you just feel ashamed and disgusted for talking about that event. I have a question for you ABDUL AZIZ. How come the "TICHI TICHI" did not come to help MIRZA KAZIB. Was he (TICHI TICHI ) busy in doing something else ? Please tell me I am anxiously waiting to solve this puzzle. Abdul Aziz I have another Question. Do you wana die the same way as MIRZA KAZIB DIED? I mean Just a little SHIT in your mouth, dying in the Bathroom etc etc. But the only difference will be that here you will die in a carpeted Bathroom and also your other Qadianis will not be able to find BHANGIS, they might have to act like BHANGIS or bring some bulldozer or a cranelift. and then they will burn your body in incinerator. That's not much of a difference. Are YOU READY TO DIE LIKE MIRZA KAZIB? SAY YES MY MAN ABDUL AZIZ. ALLAH (SWT) will definitle Grant your wish. Insha Allah.
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.Com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 19:09:06 (EST) 
This is for MURTAD ABDUL AZIZ from California: Abdul Aziz (Murtadd) you talked about the HEAT but you did not talk about the actual stuff. The Disgraceful and miserable death of MIRZA KAZIB. Do you remember when he (Mirza) died with Shit in his mouth? I think you Murtadeens feel ashamed to talk about that event. May be you feel disgusted when you think about the SHIT in somebody's mouth especially when you worship some one like (MIRZA MURTADD). Just imagine for a second the picture of MIRZA dying in disgrace, with shit coming out of his (MIRZA'S) mouth, nobody wana pick up his stinking body, only few "BHANGIS" helped to remove that stinking body. Do you think those BHANGIS will be rewarded by ALLAH (SWT) for that job well done (Removal of Mirza's Body). Or may be you just feel ashamed and disgusted for talking about that event. I have a question for you ABDUL AZIZ. How come the "TICHI TICHI" did not come to help MIRZA KAZIB. Was he (TICHI TICHI ) busy in doing something else ? Please tell me I am anxiously waiting to solve this puzzle. Abdul Aziz I have another Question. Do you wana die the same way as MIRZA KAZIB DIED? I mean Just a little SHIT in your mouth, dying in the Bathroom etc etc. But the only dofference will be that here you will die in a carpeted Bathroom and also your other Qadianis will not be able to find BHANGIS, they might have to bring some bulldozer or a cranelift. and then they will burn your body in incinerator. That's not much of a difference. Are YOU READY TO DIE LIKE MIRZA KAZIB? SAY YES MY MAN ABDUL AZIZ. ALLAH (SWT) will definitle Grant your wish. Insha Allah.
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.Com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 19:07:05 (EST) 
This is for MURTAD ABDUL AZIZ from California: Abdul Aziz (Murtadd) you talked about the HEAT but you did not talk about the actual stuff. The Disgraceful and miserable death of MIRZA KAZIB. Do you remember when he (Mirza) died with Shit in his mouth? I think you Murtadeens feel ashamed to talk about that event. May be you feel disgusted when you think about the SHIT in somebody's mouth especially when you worship some one like (MIRZA MURTADD). Just imagine for a second the picture of MIRZA dying in disgrace, with shit coming out of his (MIRZA'S) mouth, nobody wana pick up his stinking body, only few "BHANGIS" helped to remove that stinking body. Do you think those BHANGIS will be rewarde by ALLAH (SWT) for that job well done (Removal of Mirza's Body). Or may be you feel ashamed for talking about that event. I have a question for you ABDUL AZIZ. How come the "TICHI TICHI" did not come to help MIRZA KAZIB. Was he (TICHI TICHI ) busy in doing something else ? Please tell me I am anxiously waiting to solve this puzzle.
Qadiani Buster <ShittyMirza@Rabwah.Com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 18:58:49 (EST) 
Ahmadis take heat from non-Ahmadis. No doubt about that. We, Ahmadis, do it for the sake of Allah. We pray that he will accept our sacrifices. According to Quran, "Allah is Shakoor and Halim". Even if we are misled He will still reward us because He knows our Niyyat (intention). But what about non-Ahmadis? They are getting the heat from the whole world because they are poor, illiterate, dishonest, corrupt, murderers, and weaklings. What reward will they get from Allah(SWA) only He will decide , in this world and on the day of judgement. Let us wait. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 16:59:05 (EST) 
Brother Fateh Sher: How are you Sir? Good morning I,m In Tornto Nowadays. Brother: Your Question is very valid question. All & each Ahamdi muslim Love to answer questions Like this. But only problem we face is that 2nd party always try to escape here & there. Anyhow let see how far you GO. There is a Hadieth of Bukhari where Holly prophet Mohammad (saw) said "At the time when mother delivers baby, that & Each new born is tuched by Satan. And when Satan tuches new born, he/she cries. But Satan did not tuched Mary & son of Mary"(bukhari kitabul tafseer vol.3 p69). Now before going further, I am sure Not in your mind (because of lack of knoledge about this subject) But Many Ahamdi brothers might be thinking what about other prophets especially holly prophet (saw) Did Satan tuched them when they were born? The answer of this questin is given by Alama Zumkhushri in (tafseer kishaf vol. 1 p302) He says "According to this (above ) hadieth is that Satan wants & does astry every & each new born. Except Mary & son of Mary. Because they both were pure. Exactly every that child is include in it who has Mary & son of Mary's attribute. Therefore, Hadieth of holly pophet clearly shows that Mary & son of Mary are not only two humen. But TWO TYPES OF HUMEN. Thus those who have Maryami & son of Maryami siftes are rightous (momen)& prophets. And those are who were remembered by the toung of holly prophet Mohamamd peace be upon him. Little more tafseer of these attributes is written in Quran. Says" And Alalh holds forth as an example, for those who believe, the wife of Pharaoh (Asya)when she said, My Lord ! build for me a house with Thee in the Garden; and deliver me from Paraoh and his work, and deliver me from the wrongdoing people".(Al-Tahrim 12) Second verse says "And sets forth as an example Mary, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity- so We breathed into him of Our Spirit and she fulfilled the prophecy conveyed to her in the words of her Lord contained in His Books and she was one of the obedient".(Al-Tahrim 13) Mr. Fateh you need to understand here something, and you got to use your brain and then you make yourself for arguments. If you did not understand this subject but you tried to write I,m sure people will laugh on you. Now Quran is comparing these two righteous women with two unrighteous women of Noah And Lot. You must understand that from these two verses point proves that there are two types of righeous people. First, Asiya (wife of Pheroah) sift. Second, Maryami sift. "(Asiya sift) Those who were under the pressure of non believers, and to get rid of from them they prayed to Allah. and people of Maryami sift are those who were righteous from the first day of their birth. Now Mr. Fateh: The second type of humen are called "MARYAMi SIFT PEOPLE" (ahsanat phurjaha) And then they raise from ( Maryami sift) to (phana phukhna phehi minr-ruhena)sift of son of Mary. Because status of Maryami is truth, And status of son of Mary is prophethood. Now this is very necessary for all prophets to go through this procedure. Again if you are NOT understood: First A prophet comes into the status of Maryam, meaning, from his birth he will be righteous. And from THIS lavel he moves to status of son of Mary (son of Mary not as person, but as attribute)And he becomes PROPHET. And in these both lavels he is safe from tuching of Satan. Now come to the point: I quoted you here, you said that Mirza sahib said "Allah expressed in me his reproductive power of manliness" Mr. Fateh if you an extreme ignorant,THEN I am NOT Guilty of this crime. From those verses of Quran of Sura Al-Tahrim we understood that Hazzrat Maryam became pregnent after an extereme righteousness. and the result of that prgnecy brought a birth of The prophet "Jesus" (Isa). MR. Fateh Read this carefully: EXACTLY, THE CONDITION OF RIGHTEOUS MAN IS THAT HE IS IN MARYAMI CONDITION (Spiritually prgnent)AND AFTER THIS LAVEL WHEN ALLAH WANTS HIM TO RAISE MORE HIGHER HE HAS TO CROSS THE SAME PROCEDURE (Spiritually prgnent & then Spiritually his birth) THEN HE ACHIEVES THE STATUS OF son of Maryami Sift. When Mirza sahib said that he became Spiritually Pregnent, it means he is in Maryami condition And after the(spitual birth)He achieved a status of Prophethood Like anyother prophet of Allah. In Quran Allah compares righteous men with women. No doubt men Are Not women But to explain And in metaphrical manners. And All that Hazzrat Mirza sahib used this Language, He has Already explained inhis Book Kisht-e-Noah. Because he Knew people Like will never stop blamming. Hazzrat Mirza sahib came only Hundred years ago. Prophet Mohammad acme 14 hundred years agoAnd still people have Not Stop Blamming him of different accusations. We Ahamdi cannot expect from any non-Ahmadi to understand this Language of Hazzrat Mirza sahib right Away. To understand this language of Hazzrat Mirza Sahib You people need TAQWA. Secondlly, Most of the time Non-Ahamdies take litteral meanings of any statements of any prophet. For example, Non-Ahmdi believe that Mera'age was Litteral, In other words Prophet Mohammad(saw) Awoke from his bed, opened his house's door, Made ready his horse, sat on him, And flew to Haven. This is immature thinking brother. It is Not true, EVEn Hadiethes ARE NOT agree with this belief. I promise you I will prove you this in my next writting that Mer'age was not Litteral. We Ahmdi believe it was Metaphorical. Because of you backgroung I could understand that you people believe that because Mirza sahib said So. Thus in Our Language the meanig of this word is THIS. Therefore, mirza sahib is unable to prove thus he is Liar.simple! _______Now lets talk about Spiritual Pregnency__________ Before going to this dicussion you need to understand word "humul" I am sure to you it is simple prgnency. BUT NO Sir You are wrong: I prove my point by giving you refrence from Quran itself. on this place Allah use word Humul for himself (Wa Hamulna ma'aa Noah)".....And of the posterity of those whome we carried in the Ark with Noah......"(Maryam 59) Read this one (LA TEHMIL ALAINA ISRUN KMA HAMULTAHU AALLULAZEENA MIN QABLANA)" ....and our Lord, Lay not on us responsibility as thou didst lay upon those before us..."(Al-Baqrah 287) Now Mr. Fateh It is very clear that word Hamul is used here for "taking". Therefore it is not right to just laugh and make joke on Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writtings. Try to understand his writtings, please. Hazzrat Mirza sahib clearly said (ista'ara ke rung mayn mughe hamala thraya gya)" As an assamble I was called pregnent" (Kusht-e-noah 47) "And from real or meanings are not taken, rather than it was Sift -e-Maryami and from sift Maryami I was taken to Isvi sift"(Kushti-e-noah 45)
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 10:45:07 (EST) 
My Dear Qadiani Supporters: I am glad you are taking all that heat from these MUSLIMS all over the world. Just because of My Grandpa and me. Actually it is not my fault . When I was a kid My GrandPa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) used to tell me lots of bedtime stories about "TICHI TICHI". Once I saw Grandpa walking in a very funny way. His SHALWAR (PANTS) was full of blood. I asked Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) what happened. He said that last night "TICHI TICHI" was too rough on me. Any how Granpa Said that it was a test for me and I (Grandpa) Passed that test. Once Grandpa told all his QADIANI Ummah that "TICHI TICHI" brought him this message that anybody who die of CHOLERA is not a believer and is MURTADD and KAFIR. But unfortunatly My Poor Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) not only suffered from CHOLERA but died of CHOLERA TOO. and the attack of CHOLERA was so severe that when my Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) died, the SHIT came out of his mouth. His body was stinking in the bathroom for a few days. Nobody volunteered to pickup my Grandpa's dead body. I still remember the stink of Grandpa's dead body. and that stink has messed up my brains too. Anyhow I still think that it was a blessing for me from my Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani). I dont know that why these MUSLIMS are making a big thing out of my GRANDPA'S MISERABLE DEATH. Why dont they feel sorry for him. At the end I would say that it was "TICHI TICHI" who gave the wrong information to my Grandpa, IT was not his fault either. TICHI TICHI pulled a trick on Grandpa. You see how simple was my Grandpa (MIRZA KAZIB). I am missing my Grandpa too much. Other day I saw Grandpa in my dream. He was enjoying his stay in hell. He has lots of his QADIANI UMMAH along with him. He asked me to join him soon. Because he said that the business is booming there, and he cant handle that by himself even with the help of my father and Hakim noor-ud-din.
Mirza Tahir Qadiani <(none)>
Ontario, CANADA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 08:04:37 (EST) 
My Dear Qadiani Supporters: I am glad you are taking all that heat from these MUSLIMS all over the world. Just because of My Grandpa and me. Actually it is not my fault . When I was a kid My GrandPa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) used to tell me lots of bedtime stories about "TICHI TICHI". Once I saw Grandpa walking in a very funny way. His SHALWAR (PANTS) was full of blood. I asked Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) what happened. He said that last night "TICHI TICHI" was too rough on me. Any how Granpa Said that it was a test for me and I (Grandpa) Passed that test. Once Grandpa told all his QADIANI Ummah that "TICHI TICHI" brought him this message that anybody who die of CHOLERA is not a believer and is MURTADD and KAFIR. But unfortunatly My Poor Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) not only suffered from CHOLERA but died of CHOLERA TOO. and the attack of CHOLERA was so severe that when my Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) died, the SHIT came out of his mouth. His body was stinking in the bathroom for a few days. Nobody volunteered to pickup my Grandpa's dead body. I still remember the stink of Grandpa's dead body. and that stink has messed up my brains too. Anyhow I still think that it was a blessing for me from my Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani). I dont know that why these MUSLIMS are making a big thing out of my GRANDPA'S MISERABLE DEATH. Why dont they feel sorry for him. At the end I would say that it was "TICHI TICHI" who gave the wrong information to my Grandpa, IT was not his fault either. TICHI TICHI pulled a trick on Grandpa. You see how simple was my Grandpa (MIRZA KAZIB). I am missing my Grandpa too much. Other day I saw Grandpa in my dream. He was enjoying his stay in hell. He has lots of his QADIANI UMMAH along with him. He asked me to join him soon. Because he said that the business is booming there, and he cant handle that by himself even with the help of my father and Hakim noor-ud-din.
Mirza Tahir Qadiani <(none)>
Ontario, CANADA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 08:04:07 (EST) 
My Dear Qadiani Supporters: I am glad you are taking all that heat from these MUSLIMS all over the world. Just because of My Grandpa and me. Actually it is not my fault . When I was a kid My GrandPa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) used to tell me lots of bedtime stories about "TICHI TICHI". Onece I saw Grandpa walking in a very funny way. His SHALWAR (PANTS) was full of blood. I asked Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) what happened. He said that last night "TICHI TICHI" was too rough on me. Any how Granpa Said that it was a test for me and I (Grandpa) Passed that test. Once Grandpa told all his QADIANI Ummah that "TICHI TICHI" brought him this message that anybody who die of CHOLERA is not a believer and is MURTADD and KAFIR. But unfortunatly My Poor Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) not only suffered from CHOLERA but died of CHOLERA TOO. and the attack of CHOLERA was so svere that when my Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) died, the SHIT came out of his mouth. His body was stinking in the bathroom for a few days. Nobody volunteered to pickup my Grandpa's dead body. I still remember the stink of Grandpa's dead body. and that stink has messed up my brains too. Anyhow I still think that it was a blessing for me from my Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani). I dont know that why these MUSLIMS are making a big thing out of my GRANDPA'S MISERABLE DEATH. Why dont they feel sorry for him. At the end I would say that it was "TICHI TICHI" who gave the wrong information to my Grandpa, IT was not his fault either. TICHI TICHI pulled atrick on Grandpa. You see how simpole was my Grandpa (MIRZA KAZIB).
Mirza Tahir Qadiani <(none)>
Ontario, CANADA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:57:47 (EST) 
My Dear Qadiani Supporters: I am glad you are taking all that heat from these MUSLIMS all over the world. Just because of My Grandpa and me. Actually it is not my falt . When I was a kid My GrandPa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) used to tell me lots of bedtime stories about "TICHI TICHI". Onece I saw Grandpa walking in a very funny way. His SHALWAR (PANTS) was full of blood. I asked Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) what happened. He said that last night "TICHI TICHI" was too rough on me. Any how Granpa Said that it was a test for me and I (Grandpa) Passed that test. Once Grandpa told all his QADIANI Ummah that "TICHI TICHI" brought him this message that anybody who die of CHOLERA is not a believer and is MURTADD and KAFIR. But unfortunatly My Poor Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) not only suffered from CHOLERA but died of CHOLERA TOO. and the attack of CHOLERA was so svere that when my Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) died, the SHIT came out of his mouth. His body was stinking in the bathroom for a few days. Nobody volunteered to pickup my Grandpa's dead body. I still remember the stink of Grandpa's dead body. and that stink has messed up my brains too. Anyhow I still think that it was a blessing for me from my Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani). I dont know that why these MUSLIMS are making a big thing out of my GRANDPA'S MISERABLE DEATH. Why dont they feel sorry for him. At the end I would say that it was "TICHI TICHI" who gave the wrong information to my Grandpa, IT was not his fault either. TICHI TICHI pulled atrick on Grandpa. You see how simpole was my Grandpa (MIRZA KAZIB).
Mirza Tahir Qadiani <(none)>
Ontario, CANADA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:57:22 (EST) 
My Dear Qadiani Supporters: I am glad you are taking all that heat from all over the world. Just because of My Grandpa and me. Actually it is not my falt . When I was a kid My GrandPa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) used to tell me lots of bedtime stories about "TICHI TICHI". Onece I saw Grandpa walking in a very funny way. His SHALWAR (PANTS) was full of blood. I asked Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) what happened. He said that last night "TICHI TICHI" was too rough on me. Any how Granpa Said that it was a test for me and I (Grandpa) Passed that test. Once Grandpa told all his QADIANI Ummah that "TICHI TICHI" brought him this message that anybody who die of CHOLERA is not a believer and is MURTADD and KAFIR. But unfortunatly My Poor Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) not only suffered from CHOLERA but died of CHOLERA TOO. and the attack of CHOLERA was so svere that when my Grandpa (MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI) died, the SHIT came out of his mouth. His body was stinking in the bathroom for a few days. Nobody volunteered to pickup my Grandpa's dead body. I still remember the stink of Grandpa's dead body. and that stink has messed up my brains too. Anyhow I still think that it was a blessing for me from my Grandpa (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani). I dont know that why these MUSLIMS are making a big thing out of my GRANDPA'S MISERABLE DEATH. Why dont they feel sorry for him. At the end I would say that it was "TICHI TICHI" who gave the wrong information to my Grandpa, IT was not his fault either. TICHI TICHI pulled atrick on Grandpa. You see how simpole was my Grandpa (MIRZA KAZIB).
Mirza Tahir Qadiani <(none)>
Ontario, CANADA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:56:53 (EST) 
Can any non-Ahamdi elaborate the prosedure of coming of Jesus (unto you belive) I mean Where, When, How & Why will he come??
Usman <<>>
Rabwah, Pakistan - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:49:21 (EST) 
Mr. Allah's Servent: How are you today Sir? Your writting is quite confusing. I do not know to whome you are addressing. The clossest guess taht I can measure is, that you are trying to convay your message to our SHIA brothers. Is It?? Anyhow, I will Not write to you alot. But I will Quote you from your writting where you said that prophet Mohammad saw said " O, People No prophet Or Apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born" Now my first Question to you IS, Who will be Jesus son of Mary when according to you he will come back. WILL HE BE NOT A PROPHET? Secondly, How you people will be able to define between apostle And true prophat? TODAY MUSLIMS ARE SUCKING EACH OTHERS BLOOD THAT EVEN ANIMALS DON'T. DO YOU EXPECT FROM THESE MUSLIM TO DEFINE TRUE OR APOSTLE.?? Mr. Sevent Of Allah: Actually you have become SO extra humble servent of Allah that you are unable to see reality. You are living in fictional world. TRY & LEARN how to face reality. Now another thing, IS AHAMDIYYAT A NEW FAITH ? Well, then you might want to learn something about Ahmadiyyat. Make asure THINK before writting on this page. Wasslam, ALi
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:35:57 (EST) 
Mr. Allah's Servent: How are today Sir? Your writting is quite confusing. I do not know to whome you are addressing. The clossest guess taht I can measure is, that you are trying to convay your message to our SHIA brothers. Is It?? Anyhow, I will Not write to you alot. But I will Quote you from your writting where you said that prophet Mohammad saw said " O, People No prophet Or Apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born" Now my first Question to you IS, Who will be Jesus son of Mary when according to you he will come back. WILL HE BE NOT A PROPHET? Secondly, How you people will be able to define between apostle And true prophat? TODAY MUSLIMS ARE SUCKING EACH OTHERS BLOOD THAT EVEN ANIMALS DON'T. DO YOU EXPECT FROM THESE MUSLIM TO DEFINE TRUE OR APOSTLE.?? Mr. Sevent Of Allah: Actually you have become SO extra humble servent of Allah that you are unable to see reality. You are living in fictional world. TRY & LEARN how to face reality. Now another thing, IS AHAMDIYYAT A NEW FAITH ? Well, then you might want to learn something about Ahmadiyyat. Make asure THINK before writting on this page. Wasslam, ALi
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:34:47 (EST) 
Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters :The cult inventor named Alkazib Mirza Ghulam Qadiani did not spare Allah(swt) from his perverted thoughts. Qadiani followers can go to any length to create some confusion about the teachings of Allah and His Last Prophet(SAW) to justify Alkazib's false claims. Can any Qadiani (who has some shame left in his mind) answer me about the following statement of Alkazib Mirza where he descended to the lowest level of perversion like old time pagans ???? "I saw myself as if I am a woman and Allah expressed in me his reproductive power of manliness. ( Zabiat-ul-Islam, by Yar Muhammad Qadiani, p. 34)
Fateh Sher <<>>
Toronto, Canada - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 04:50:51 (EST) 

To the pagan Ahmadiyyas who obstinately claim themselves to be Muslims!!!

~~~~~

The Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) Last Sermon

This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' (in Mecca).

After praising, and thanking Allah he said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. ALLAH has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib (Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O ALLAH, that I have conveyed your message to your people".

~~~~~

Got the message???
 

Jihad, the power of Muslim!!!!%Vh
Allah's servant <memojazz@usa.net>
Singapore, SG singapore - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 04:04:48 (EST) 


Continuation of Subject, Controversy in Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writtings. After one research Or new information prophat of Allah do change their old version. Hazzrat ubu-Hurrara relates " Once holly prophat Mohammad (saw) went to tribe of Bunu Harssa. And said O Bunu HArssa you are out of wisdom of Allah, Then Hazzoor (saw) Looked around and then said No,You are still in wisdom of Allah" (bukhari kitabul-hujj. chap. hurm. p210) Now Tell me Isn't there are two different statements from holly prophat (saw). It is exactly SO when Hazzrat Mirza sahib understood by an English historian that the grave of Hazzrat Jesus son of Mary is in Syria. But after his research & and help from Allah He indicated The grave of Masih is in Kashmeer. Now I am not blaming on holly prophet Mohammad (saw) that he changed his statements. No: The purpose of my saying is, prophet of Allah do say according to their thinking & opinion. But Latter when reaserch of something found it differnt then prophet of Allah can change his words. Now it depends on the people how much ability & Tuqwa they have. It is also written in Hadiethes that "Holly prophet Mohammad (saw) Agreed with those matters & desissions with Jew & Christain about holly prophet did not had revolution" (muslim vol. 2 p296) Those are you stupid people who EVEN accepted the idea that Quran has controversy in itself. And because Muslim ULAMA were NOT able to answer those aligation, Thus they were very happy to adopt this idea. Jama'at e Ahmadiyya is one which never believed in controvercy. Now Lets read the wrtting of Great Muslim ULAMA Shaw Walliullah Muhuddas Dehlivi who says "Four verses of holly Quran are seem to be abrogate"(al-fouzul kabeer 18-21) Let see first two verses. the first verse that he abrogate is "(Al-Anfal 16)" Where Allah says " O ye who believe ! when you meet those who disbelive, advancing in force, turn not your backs to them" Second one "(Al-Anfal 67)" Which says ".....So, if there be a hundred of you are steadfast, they shall overcome two hundred;..." For to see other two abrogated verses by Shaw Walliullah Muhaddas you can see (Tafseer Hussaini vol. 1 p 390 & 453) Now how foolish you people are blaming on Hazzrat Mirza sahib, But DO NOT see to their Great ULAMA that they not only have changed their own words But did not hesitated to say taht some verses of Holly Quran are abrogated. SHAME, SHAME. Now Let see An other Great ULAMA -e-Islam Molana Snaullah Amretsry, he says " At first Prophet Mohammad saw forbid to go to cementery, But Latter he allowed to go." " First Prophet Mohammad saw forbid to keep meet of secrify more than three days, but latter he allowed" " First prophet Mohammad saw forbid to eat & drink in pots of alcohol, but latter he allowed" (Tafseer Snayi vol. 1 p133) Now any ignorant man EVEN can understand taht What this Mullan is saying. The thing is, When Ahamdi say samething, Ahamdi are hypocite, Ahamdi are LIAR, Ahamdi are Munafiq Ahamdi are this & Ahmadi are That. But when samething is said by a Mullan, O ho ho ho ho, There is nothing wrong. Allah has forced these bloody mullans to stamp on the truth of Imam Mehdi. No matter what they say to publick. In my NEXT writting I will prove taht Quran itself makes controversy statements (must understand not from the point of view of Jamate Ahamdiyya) But to explain that Basically it not controversy.
A. Waraich <<>>
<>, - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 23:33:58 (EST) 
Continuation of Subject, Controversy in Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writtings. After one research Or new information prophat of Allah do change their old version. Hazzrat ubu-Hurrara relates " Once holly prophat Mohammad (saw) went to tribe of Bunu Harssa. And said O Bunu HArssa you are out of wisdom of Allah, Then Hazzoor (saw) Looked around and then said No,You are still in wisdom of Allah" (bukhari kitabul-hujj. chap. hurm. p210) Now Tell me Isn't there are two different statements from holly prophat (saw). It is exactly SO when Hazzrat Mirza sahib understood by an English historian that the grave of Hazzrat Jesus son of Mary is in Syria. But after his research & and help from Allah He indicated The grave of Masih is in Kashmeer. Now I am not blaming on holly prophet Mohammad (saw) that he changed his statements. No: The purpose of my saying is, prophet of Allah do say according to their thinking & opinion. But Latter when reaserch of something found it differnt then prophet of Allah can change his words. Now it depends on the people how much ability & Tuqwa they have. It is also written in Hadiethes that "Holly prophet Mohammad (saw) Agreed with those matters & desissions with Jew & Christain about holly prophet did not had revolution" (muslim vol. 2 p296) Those are you stupid people who EVEN accepted the idea that Quran has controversy in itself. And because Muslim ULAMA were NOT able to answer those aligation, Thus they were very happy to adopt this idea. Jama'at e Ahmadiyya is one which never believed in controvercy. Now Lets read the wrtting of Great Muslim ULAMA Shaw Walliullah Muhuddas Dehlivi who says "Four verses of holly Quran are seem to be abrogate"(al-fouzul kabeer 18-21) Let see first two verses. the first verse that he abrogate is "(Al-Anfal 16)" Where Allah says " O ye who believe ! when you meet those who disbelive, advancing in force, turn not your backs to them" Second one "(Al-Anfal 67)" Which says ".....So, if there be a hundred of you are steadfast, they shall overcome two hundred;..." For to see other two abrogated verses by Shaw Walliullah Muhaddas you can see (Tafseer Hussaini vol. 1 p 390 & 453) Now how foolish you people are blaming on Hazzrat Mirza sahib, But DO NOT see to their Great ULAMA that they not only have changed their own words But did not hesitated to say taht some verses of Holly Quran are abrogated. SHAME, SHAME. Now Let see An other Great ULAMA -e-Islam Molana Snaullah Amretsry, he says " At first Prophet Mohammad saw forbid to go to cementery, But Latter he allowed to go." " First Prophet Mohammad saw forbid to keep meet of secrify more than three days, but latter he allowed" " First prophet Mohammad saw forbid to eat & drink in pots of alcohol, but latter he allowed" (Tafseer Snayi vol. 1 p133) Now any ignorant man EVEN can understand taht What this Mullan is saying. The thing is, When Ahamdi say samething, Ahamdi are hypocite, Ahamdi are LIAR, Ahamdi are Munafiq Ahamdi are this & Ahmadi are That. But when samething is said by a Mullan, O ho ho ho ho, There is nothing wrong. Allah has forced these bloody mullans to stamp on the truth of Imam Mehdi. No matter what they say to publick. In my NEXT writting I will prove taht Quran itself makes controversy statements (must understand not from the point of view of Jamate Ahamdiyya) But to explain that Basically it not controversy.
A. Waraich <<>>
<>, - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 23:21:43 (EST) 
Continuation of Subject, Controversy in Hazzrat Mirza sahib's writtings. After one research Or new information prophat of Allah do change their old version. Hazzrat ubu-Hurrara relates " Once holly prophat Mohammad (saw) went to tribe of Bunu Harssa. And said O Bunu HArssa you are out of wisdom of Allah, Then Hazzoor (saw) Looked around and then said No,You are still in wisdom of Allah" (bukhari kitabul-hujj. chap. hurm. p210) Now Tell me Isn't there are two different statements from holly prophat (saw). It is exactly SO when Hazzrat Mirza sahib understood by an English historian that the grave of Hazzrat Jesus son of Mary is in Syria. But after his research & and help from Allah He indicated The grave of Masih is in Kashmeer. Now I am not blaming on holly prophet Mohammad (saw) that he changed his statements. No: The purpose of my saying is, prophet of Allah do say according to their thinking & opinion. But Latter when reaserch of something found it differnt then prophet of Allah can change his words. Now it depends on the people how much ability & Tuqwa they have. It is also written in Hadiethes that "Holly prophet Mohammad (saw) Agreed with those matters & desissions with Jew & Christain about holly prophet did not had revolution" (muslim vol. 2 p296) Those are you stupid people who EVEN accepted the idea that Quran has controversy in itself. And because Muslim ULAMA were NOT able to answer those aligation, Thus they were very happy to adopt this idea. Jama'at e Ahmadiyya is one which never believed in controvercy. Now Lets read the wrtting of Great Muslim ULAMA Shaw Walliullah Muhuddas Dehlivi who says "Four verses of holly Quran are seem to be abrogate"(al-fouzul kabeer 18-21) Let see first two verses. the first verse that he abrogate is "(Al-Anfal 16)" Where Allah says " O ye who believe ! when you meet those who disbelive, advancing in force, turn not your backs to them" Second one "(Al-Anfal 67)" Which says ".....So, if there be a hundred of you are steadfast, they shall overcome two hundred;..." For to see other two abrogated verses by Shaw Walliullah Muhaddas you can see (Tafseer Hussaini vol. 1 p 390 & 453) Now how foolish you people are blaming on Hazzrat Mirza sahib, But DO NOT see to their Great ULAMA that they not only have changed their own words But did not hesitated to say taht some verses of Holly Quran are abrogated. SHAME, SHAME. Now Let see An other Great ULAMA -e-Islam Molana Snaullah Amretsry, he says " At first Prophet Mohammad saw forbid to go to cementery, But Latter he allowed to go." " First Prophet Mohammad saw forbid to keep meet of secrify more than three days, but latter he allowed" " First prophet Mohammad saw forbid to eat & drink in pots of alcohol, but latter he allowed" (Tafseer Snayi vol. 1 p133) Now any ignorant man EVEN can understand taht What this Mullan is saying. The thing is, When Ahamdi say samething, Ahamdi are hypocite, Ahamdi are LIAR, Ahamdi are Munafiq Ahamdi are this & Ahmadi are That. But when samething is said by a Mullan, O ho ho ho ho, There is nothing wrong. Allah has forced these bloody mullans to stamp on the truth of Imam Mehdi. No matter what they say to publick. In my NEXT writting I will prove taht Quran itself makes controversy statements (must understand not from the point of view of Jamate Ahamdiyya) But to explain that Basically it not controversy.
A. Waraich <<>>
<>, - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 23:20:48 (EST) 
Mr. Aziz: You are NOT doing something right. You do not know the result of your writting to "A" particular person. If you know there is snake in this hole, will you put your fungure in it. there is a saying " If you see DOG is barking, just pass quitely" your writting to this man is exactly to throw stone toward that DOG. If you want that DOG to be quite, you have to stop yourself first: Let him write whatever he wants TO.
A. Waraich <<>>
<>, - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 21:20:31 (EST) 
Another answer of this question that why Sultan Mohammad did not Accepted Ahamdiyyat is. When Mirza Sultan Mohammad Admitted himself that the believe And the Trust that he has on mirza sahib is EVEN more than many of his followers. Readers: It is exactly that Christan & Jews blame on holly prophat Mohammad (saw) that if he( Mohammad saw) was true prophat of Allah Why HAzzrat Ubu-Talib who was his dear Uncle & who lived all his life in Mohammad saw's environment DID NOT Accepted Islam. Can anyone object on this: That hazzrat ubu-talib rz did Love prophat of Allah more than many of his followers. The question is: If he Loved prophat of Allah so much, then why he did not accepted Islam? If these so-called muslims (72)can answer this question. I witness the Lord of Mohammad saw the same answer would be ahamdies.
A. Waraich <<>>
<>, - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 21:09:36 (EST) 
Dear Readers: All allegations made by the gentleman 'Qadiani Buster' have been repudiated by the Jamaat Ahmadiyya. If you are a truth seeker then please visit the web site ww.alislam.org InshaAllah you will find that these allegations are based on fabrications and have no merit in them. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 21:05:47 (EST) 
Dear Readers: All allegations made by the gentleman 'Qadiani Buster' have been repudiated by the Jamaat Ahmadiyya. If you are a truth seeker then please visit the web site ww.alislam.org InshaAllah you will find that these allegations are based on fabrications and have no merit in them. WassalaaVh
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 21:04:14 (EST) 
Mirza Sultan Mohammad's Latter recognition of truth of Ahamdiyyat & Hazzrat Mirza sahib. "I have recieved your requested latter. I am very thanksfull of being remember. I believe " jnab mirza je sahib merhoom ko naik buzurg, Islam ka khidmat guzar, sahreefun-nufs khuda yad pahle bhe ooor ub bhe khiyal kurta hun" ( I did believe mirza sahib late a humble saint, devoted to islam and extreme pure person, now And EVEN before.) Also I do not have any thing against his followers, I regret myself taht because of one or two arguments I could not able to bless from him in his life" (Niyaz mund Sultan Mohammad uz unbalah, Gazat # 9) Any one can understand this, A person about his wife some one (Hazzrat Mirza sahib) is saying taht Allah told him taht he will mary with her. And the above writting is the person's who was the husband of that woman. Think: How could it be possible , if it was not prophecy & a mericle. And the same person admites himself taht mirza sahib is an extreme pure & devoted to Islam. Again Mirza Sultan Mohammad says " Next thing, that many people blame on Hazzrat Mirza sahib taht why I ( Sultan Mohammad) did not accpted Ahmadiyyat. First: I swear, the Believe and trust that I have on Mirza sahib, I think those who are even followers of Mirza sahib might not have. The condition of my heart can be understood that at the time of this prophecy, Those who were Hindu, because of Laykhram And Christain because of Atham were ready to give me One Hundered thousand rupies. Only because they wanted from me to say something agaist HAzzrat Mirza sahib. Now if I have been taken that money I could be the richest man in the region. But it was same Believe and Trust of Mirza sahib that it kept me stop of doing anything agaist him".(Al-fazal 9/13 June 19921) Now I will breiefly write about the son of Mirza Sultan Mohammad & Mohammadi Bagum. Whose name was Mirza Ishaq Baig. Just for the sake of those who do not know, Mirza Ishaq Accepted Ahmadiyyat in his life. He writes that it is very unusual that still enemy of Hazzrat Mirza sahib say that prophecy of Mohammadi Bagum was not fullfiled. How come?: It is blindness that people cannot see that a majority of the family members of Mirza Ahamd Baig Accepted Ahamdiyyat. Isn't this indication of prophecy being truth enough? He says, some times prophet of Allah do say things which are only for the fear of people. And it is not possible taht whenever a prophet say something it has to be SO. No: we alll know that HAzzrat Ynus told people of his village taht ALlah has told him that this vilalge will distroyed. The question is, DID It happend so? Now does anyone could imagin that nouzubillag Hazzrat Yunus Lied. I as the member of the family of Mirza Ahamd Baig Swear to Allah TAHT MIRZA SAHIB IS THE SAME MASIH-E-MOUD ABOUT WHOM PROPHAT MOHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM PROPHESIZED" ( KHAKSAT MIRZA ISHAQ BAIG PUTTI DIST LAHORE, HALL WARD CHUCK # 165 2B) (/COPY, ALFAZAL 26 FABRUARY 1932) Now the next proof of this fullfiled prophecy was that, When these enemies did not stop blaming Hazzrat Mirza sahib, Mirza sahib said " To justify this confusion is very easy. If you people are so active, then go to son in law of Ahamd BAig who is Sulatan Mohammad, and say to him taht publish a pumphlet agaist this lie from my side. And after that fixed time if his death time goes over, I will admit of biang Lair. Now I want you to go to him and encourage him to stand agaist me, And then see the mericle of Alalh" ( Anjame Atham 32) Readers: After this pumphlet to Mullan of taht time, Hazzrat Mirza sahib remained Alive 12 year But no Sone of the woman could encourage Mirza Sulatan Mohammad to stand agaist Hazzrat Mirza sahib.
A. Waraich <<>>
- Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 20:47:41 (EST) 
Dear Mr. Waraich: See for yourself the comments of the gentleman 'Qadiani Buster'. Do you still think that such people have anything to do with Prophet Muhammad (SAS)? Leave him and his disguised-named-cronies to Allah. Only He has the power to show them the right way. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <n.r.>
Ca USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 20:16:01 (EST) 
This is for Branded Murtadeens Like ABDUL AZIZ, WARAICH, Usman as well as The Crown Prince Of MURTASDEENS "MIRZA TAHIR KAZIB" MURTADEENS Please Listen Carefully and then Answer: For Years, MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB QADIANI attributed outrageous lies to ALLAH (SWT). he claimed to be Mehdi,the Promised Messiah, a reincarnation of MUHAMMAD(SAW), a new improved prophet, Hindu Lord, son of GOD, and God incarnated. He said that he was in direct communication with Allah and claimed that his revelations were devine. It is fitting that Allah(SWT) made his (Mirza Kazib's) death a testimony to his lies. His sudden and disgraceful death proved his following prophecies to have been lies: 1- His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will live to be 80 or more years old; (HE "MIRZA KAZIB" died when he was 68 years old) 2- His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death; (He never did marry Muhammadi begum) 3- The Claim (and Mubahila Challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amritsar, his arch opponent who had openly called him (to Mirza Kazib) a LIAR and an IMPOSTER, will die before him; (The LIAR will die first- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 4- His Prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a LIAR during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time; (The LIAR will die first---MIRZA Kazib Died first) 5- The Prophecy (and mubahala Challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Authom, a christian who had debated with MIRZA KAZIB and put him to shame, will die before him; (Mirza said that the liar will die first-- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 6- His revelation that ALLAH (SWT) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah(SWT) presence and proof of his prophethood: (MIRZA KAZIB DIED WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER SON) 7-His claim that Allah(SWT) had revealed to him that he would marry many more virtuous women; (After the false prophecy he never married any one) 8-His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will marry a widow , before his death; (After the prophecy he did not marry anyone else) 9- His prophecy that he will die in Mekkah or Medina. (MIRZA KAZIB died in disgrace in the city of Lahore/ He never saw MEKKAH or MEDINA) Indeed Mirza Ghulam Kazib's death was a sign of ALLAH(SWT)'s displeasure with him. We will also review the record of MIRZA KAZIB'S disgraceful death as recounted by his closest followers and the ACTUAL WITNESSES of Mirza's Stinking and disgraceful death. All of You MURTADEEN'S are you ready to hear the truth but the whole TRUTH. I will be Back. INSHA ALLAH In The HOLY QURAN ALLAH (SWT) says: "Say Verily those who invent a lie concerning ALLAH will not succeed> This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto US is their return. Then, We make them taste a dreadful doom, because they used to disbelieve.' (THE HOLY QURAN, Yunus, 10:69-70)
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Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 18:40:03 (EST) 
Thsi is for Branded Murtadeens Like ABDUL AZIZ, WARAICH, Usman as well as The Crown Prince Of MURTASDEENS "MIRZA TAHIR KAZIB" MURTADEENS Please Listen Carefully and then Answer: For Years, MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB QADIANI attributed outrageous lies to ALLAH (SWT). he claimed to be Mehdi,the Promised Messiah, a reincarnation of MUHAMMAD(SAW), a new improved prophet, Hindu Lord, son of GOD, and God incarnated. He said that he was in direct communication with Allah and claimed that his revelations were devine. It is fitting that Allah(SWT) made his (Mirza Kazib's) death a testimony to his lies. His sudden and disgraceful death proved his following prophecies to have been lies: 1- His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will live to be 80 or more years old; (HE "MIRZA KAZIB" died when he was 68 years old) 2- His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death; (He never did marry Muhammadi begum) 3- The Claim (and Mubahila Challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amritsar, his arch opponent who had openly called him (to Mirza Kazib) a LIAR and an IMPOSTER, will die before him; (The LIAR will die first- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 4- His Prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a LIAR during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time; (The LIAR will die first---MIRZA Kazib Died first) 5- The Prophecy (and mubahala Challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Authom, a christian who had debated with MIRZA KAZIB and put him to shame, will die before him; (Mirza said that the liar will die first-- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 6- His revelation that ALLAH (SWT) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah(SWT) presence and proof of his prophethood: (MIRZA KAZIB DIED WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER SON) 7-His claim that Allah(SWT) had revealed to him that he would marry many more virtuous women; (After the false prophecy he never married any one) 8-His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will marry a widow , before his death; (After the prophecy he did not marry anyone else) 9- His prophecy that he will die in Mekkah or Medina. (MIRZA KAZIB died in disgrace in the city of Lahore/ He never saw MEKKAH or MEDINA) Indeed Mirza Ghulam Kazib's death was a sign of ALLAH(SWT)'s displeasure with him. We will also review the record of MIRZA KAZIB'S disgraceful death as recounted by his closest followers and the ACTUAL WITNESSES of Mirza's Stinking and disgraceful death. All of You MURTADEEN'S are you ready to hear the truth but the whole TRUTH. I will be Back. INSHA ALLAH In The HOLY QURAN ALLAH (SWT) says: "Say Verily those who invent a lie concerning ALLAH will not succeed> This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto US is their return. Then, We make them taste a dreadful doom, because they used to disbelieve.' (THE HOLY QURAN, Yunus, 10:69-70)
QADIANI BUSTER <QadianiBuster@Rabwah.com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 18:39:24 (EST) 
Thsi is for Branded Murtadeens Like ABDUL AZIZ, WARAICH, Usman as well as The Crown Prince Of MURTASDEENS "MIRZA TAHIR KAZIB" MURTADEENS Please Listen Carefully and then Answer: For Years, MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB QADIANI attributed outrageous lies to ALLAH (SWT). he claimed to be Mehdi,the Promised Messiah, a reincarnation of MUHAMMAD(SAW), a new improved prophet, Hindu Lord, son of GOD, and God incarnated. He said that he was in direct communication with Allah and claimed that his revelations were devine. It is fitting that Allah(SWT) made his (Mirza Kazib's) death a testimony to his lies. His sudden and disgraceful death proved his following prophecies to have been lies: 1- His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will live to be 80 or more years old; (HE "MIRZA KAZIB" died when he was 68 years old) 2- His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death; (He never did marry Muhammadi begum) 3- The Claim (and Mubahila Challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amritsar, his arch opponent who had openly called him (to Mirza Kazib) a LIAR and an IMPOSTER, will die before him; (The LIAR will die first- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 4- His Prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a LIAR during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time; (The LIAR will die first---MIRZA Kazib Died first) 5- The Prophecy (and mubahala Challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Authom, a christian who had debated with MIRZA KAZIB and put him to shame, will die before him; (Mirza said that the liar will die first-- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 6- His revelation that ALLAH (SWT) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah(SWT) presence and proof of his prophethood: (MIRZA KAZIB DIED WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER SON) 7-His claim that Allah(SWT) had revealed to him that he would marry many more virtuous women; (After the false prophecy he never married any one) 8-His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will marry a widow , before his death; (After the prophecy he did not marry anyone else) 9- His prophecy that he will die in Mekkah or Medina. (MIRZA KAZIB died in disgrace in the city of Lahore/ He never saw MEKKAH or MEDINA) Indeed Mirza Ghulam Kazib's death was a sign of ALLAH(SWT)'s displeasure with him. We will also review the record of MIRZA KAZIB'S disgraceful death as recounted by his closest followers and the ACTUAL WITNESSES of Mirza's Stinking and disgraceful death. All of You MURTADEEN'S are you ready to hear the truth but the whole TRUTH. I will be Back. INSHA ALLAH In The HOLY QURAN ALLAH (SWT) says: "Say Verily those who invent a lie concerning ALLAH will not succeed> This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto US is their return. Then, We make them taste a dreadful doom, because they used to disbelieve.' (THE HOLY QURAN, Yunus, 10:69-70)
QADIANI BUSTER <QadianiBuster@Rabwah.com>
Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 18:38:35 (EST) 
Thsi is for Branded Murtadeens Like ABDUL AZIZ, WARAICH, Usman as well as The Crown Prince Of MURTASDEENS "MIRZA TAHIR KAZIB" MURTADEENS Please Listen Carefully and then Answer: For Years, MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB QADIANI attributed outrageous lies to ALLAH (SWT). he claimed to be Mehdi,the Promised Messiah, a reincarnation of MUHAMMAD(SAW), a new improved prophet, Hindu Lord, son of GOD, and God incarnated. He said that he was in direct communication with Allah and claimed that his revelations were devine. It is fitting that Allah(SWT) made his (Mirza Kazib's) death a testimony to his lies. His sudden and disgraceful death proved his following prophecies to have been lies: 1- His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will live to be 80 or more years old; (HE "MIRZA KAZIB" died when he was 68 years old) 2- His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death; (He never did marry Muhammadi begum) 3- The Claim (and Mubahila Challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amritsar, his arch opponent who had openly called him (to Mirza Kazib) a LIAR and an IMPOSTER, will die before him; (The LIAR will die first- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 4- His Prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a LIAR during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time; (The LIAR will die first---MIRZA Kazib Died first) 5- The Prophecy (and mubahala Challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Authom, a christian who had debated with MIRZA KAZIB and put him to shame, will die before him; (Mirza said that the liar will die first-- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 6- His revelation that ALLAH (SWT) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah(SWT) presence and proof of his prophethood: (MIRZA KAZIB DIED WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER SON) 7-His claim that Allah(SWT) had revealed to him that he would marry many more virtuous women; (After the false prophecy he never married any one) 8-His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will marry a widow , before his death; (After the prophecy he did not marry anyone else) 9- His prophecy that he will die in Mekkah or Medina. (MIRZA KAZIB died in disgrace in the city of Lahore/ He never saw MEKKAH or MEDINA) Indeed Mirza Ghulam Kazib's death was a sign of ALLAH(SWT)'s displeasure with him. We will also review the record of MIRZA KAZIB'S disgraceful death as recounted by his closest followers and the ACTUAL WITNESSES of Mirza's Stinking and disgraceful death. All of You MURTADEEN'S are you ready to hear the truth but the whole TRUTH. I will be Back. INSHA ALLAH In The HOLY QURAN ALLAH (SWT) says: "Say Verily those who invent a lie concerning ALLAH will not succeed> This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto US is their return. Then, We make them taste a dreadful doom, because they used to disbelieve.' (THE HOLY QURAN, Yunus, 10:69-70)
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Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 18:38:02 (EST) 
Thsi is for Branded Murtadeens Like ABDUL AZIZ, WARAICH, Usman as well as The Crown Prince Of MURTASDEENS "MIRZA TAHIR KAZIB" MURTADEENS Please Listen Carefully and then Answer: For Years, MIRZA GHULAM KAZIB QADIANI attributed outrageous lies to ALLAH (SWT). he claimed to be Mehdi,the Promised Messiah, a reincarnation of MUHAMMAD(SAW), a new improved prophet, Hindu Lord, son of GOD, and God incarnated. He said that he was in direct communication with Allah and claimed that his revelations were devine. It is fitting that Allah(SWT) made his (Mirza Kazib's) death a testimony to his lies. His sudden and disgraceful death proved his following prophecies to have been lies: 1- His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will live to be 80 or more years old; (HE "MIRZA KAZIB" died when he was 68 years old) 2- His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death; (He never did marry Muhammadi begum) 3- The Claim (and Mubahila Challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amritsar, his arch opponent who had openly called him (to Mirza Kazib) a LIAR and an IMPOSTER, will die before him; (The LIAR will die first- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 4- His Prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a LIAR during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time; (The LIAR will die first---MIRZA Kazib Died first) 5- The Prophecy (and mubahala Challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Authom, a christian who had debated with MIRZA KAZIB and put him to shame, will die before him; (Mirza said that the liar will die first-- MIRZA KAZIB died first) 6- His revelation that ALLAH (SWT) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah(SWT) presence and proof of his prophethood: (MIRZA KAZIB DIED WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER SON) 7-His claim that Allah(SWT) had revealed to him that he would marry many more virtuous women; (After the false prophecy he never married any one) 8-His prophecy that he (MIRZA KAZIB) will marry a widow , before his death; (After the prophecy he did not marry anyone else) 9- His prophecy that he will die in Mekkah or Medina. (MIRZA KAZIB died in disgrace in the city of Lahore/ He never saw MEKKAH or MEDINA) Indeed Mirza Ghulam Kazib's death was a sign of ALLAH(SWT)'s displeasure with him. We will also review the record of MIRZA KAZIB'S disgraceful death as recounted by his closest followers and the ACTUAL WITNESSES of Mirza's Stinking and disgraceful death. All of You MURTADEEN'S are you ready to hear the truth but the whole TRUTH. I will be Back. INSHA ALLAH
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Rabwah, Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 18:33:24 (EST) 
Dear Mr. Waraich: I am surprised at your simplicity. You expect non-Ahmadis to write to protect the honor of our beloved master Prophet Muhammad (SAS). If they were really interested in upholding the honor and prestige of Muhammad (SAS) then do you think they will behave in the world as they are doing now. Mr Waraich these non-Ahmadis are interested in satisfying their ego by abusing the Promised Messiah. They want to show you how arrogant and mighty they are when dealing with Ahmadis. As against others, such as Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc they are nothing but weaklings, unable to earn their own living and defend themselves. They are ready to beg for food, arms, money and protection from everybody including their own people. Allah (SWA) has drained them of all their strength for their unjust opposition to His messenger who wanted no reward from them, who only preached to them only the message of His master Muhammad (SAS). The purpose of these non-Ahmadis (I mean active ones) as transparent from their deeds is to bring the downfall of Islam and bring disrepute to Prophet Muhammad (SAS). So, please don't expect them to write to wash the blames non-Muslims heap on the innocent. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
Ca USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 15:17:50 (EST) 
Dear Non-Ahmadies: Can anyone elaborate little bit on the method for the returning of prophet Jesus son of Mary to earth. First: I heard that his drop off will be over the pillar of Khana'Ka'aba. Question, Which pilar? Question, how will he be coming down, will he just fall, I mean isn't he will be hurt seriously? Or will he be flying? O.k lets believe he has arrived in Mecca. Now how will the rest of the world would believe in him, I mean especially fellow Pakistanies? What about Christans & Jews, Hindues And etc. What I am saying is what will he teach? Quran, Well Christan & Jews + Hindues won't believe in him. Will he teach Bible? Well Muslim & others won't believe in him. Will he teach Torah? Well Muslim & christan + others won't believe in him. What about Gitta? Well muslim, christain, Jews And Buddahst won't believe in him. See! there is a big problem here. Well, for the time being lets believe he will teach Quran. What about Next. Now he has to fullfil his second promise. He has to go to Jungles and has to kill all the Pigs. well I guess first he will start from Midd-east, Then Africa, and there he will take his time. Because as you all people know Africa is full of Jungles. Then he will come to South Asia, then Far-east and then so on & so far. But no doubt he will be busy all along his life to kill pigs in America & Europe. Anyhow, lets pretend he is very successful, and is able to kill all pigs from this planet. His second mission is to break all the cross in the world. Now this will be pretty hard target for him. Because here he will break, but there new coresses will be built in factories. Now I am just thinking myself, what will he do after this. Well, for sure he cannot teach thou. Because he will be old enough to teach . But again what will he teach? Quran, Well , will he knew Arabic. So, Oh No I think first he will take Arabic classes, O ya. Well still problem is still not solved. What about Urdu. He aint be able to speak Urdu. So, Well I think He has to learn Urdu too. Well what about English, Dutch, gurmukhi and so many others. Now again, If he comes in Mecca, How many people will able to see him coming down alive? Well, the # would be very small. So what about those who will not be able to see him, will they accept him? especially those who are in pakistan india, japan china so on & so far. So the problem is not solved. I guess we should ask this to some our non-ahamdi brothers: Question: When Jesus son of mary will come? Question: Where? Question: What will he teach? Questin: In which language will he speak? Question: Where will he live? Question: How will he come down? Question: Name the source? (Plane, UFO, Halicopter,Misial, angels) These are first primary Questions: Real debate will start after this........
Usman <<>>
Rabwah, Pakistan - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 08:34:15 (EST) 
It is always very easy to raise fingure on anyone. Earlier A man blamed on Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) regaurding have more than four wives for himself while for other muslims only four. where were you people? Why could not answer him? It was an ahmadi writter who defended Islam. It is your claim taht you people are Khadim-e-Islam. Is your Khidam-e-Islamiat is only work against ahamdiyyat? First of all, there is need to understand the the prediction of Mirza sahib. Hazzrat Mirza sahib did not say anything like this man who always eates surplus. Any man who have a little brain in his head could understand his history of debate with Mr. Ali. He has history of giving wrong refrences, repeating aligations, Mis-quotaiong, And jumping from one topic to another one like a monkey. What this ignorant man said above is this "Mirza (sahib) said that his Nikah will held with Mohummadi Bagum. If his Nikah will not held with Mohammudi Bagum he will be found a great Lair. As result, because of Mirza (sahib's)Nikah was not held with Mohammadi Bagum, Thus Mirza (sahib) is (nouzubillah) Found Lair". This is the way that these street Mullans claim that they are very successfull against ahmadiyyat. Readers: The fact is, It is absolutely a Lie. Let read the original text of the prediction of Hazzrat Mirza sahib in my english translation.(which might not be right) "The Lord who is all knowing has told me regaurding this man's (Ahamd BAig) daughter, that you go for her hand. And tell them Allah will bless them, and you people will found this a mericle for them. But if it turns to refusal then the results for this girl will be terrible. And the one who will mery her will die in Two & half years and the father of the girl will die in three years of time from the date of Nikah".(Aaina kmalattuol Islam p286) Readers: Right after this Alham, Allah told Hazzrat mirza sahib that Mirza Ahamd Baig will give his daughter to someone else (A'aina kmalatulIslamp 286) Now it is already proven by Allah that Mirza Ahamd Baig will not call for mercy and WILL DIE. The question is very clear here. (1) ALLAH HAS ALREADY TOLD HAZZRAT MIRZA SAHIB THAT MIRZA AHMAD BAIG WILL MERY HIS DAUGHTER SOMEWHERE ELSE. Isn't? (2) AFTER THE NIKAH, if they do not call for mercy UNDER THREE YEARS OF TIME AHAMD BAIG & HIS SON IN LAW WILL DIE. Now the thing that we need to see here is, Does anyone call for mercy. If someone does who is? Or who will be ? Again you must understand that Allah has told right after first alham that mirza Ahmad baig will not obey. Now it Quite clear taht Mirza ahamd Baig will not call for mercy (period) Now it is possibility that Sultan Ahamd will call for mercy, And if he does (and he did) Then he will not die Therefore if does not die, his widdow will not mery with Hazzrat Mirza sahib.(anjam-e-Athem 216) Readers: If Mirza sahib is unable to mery with Mohammadi Bagum (1) Mirza ahamd should die in period of three years time after the nikah. (2) If Sultan Ahmad does not die, then Jama'ate Ahmadiyya should provide an authentic proof of his mercy from Allah. _________Prediction fullfiled______________ (1)____Ahamd Baig arrange her daughter's nikah 7 April 1892. with Mirza Sultan Mohammad. (2)____Ahmad baig did not call for mercy and DIES RIGHT AFTER 5 MONTHES AND 24 DAYS AT 30 SEPTEMBER 1892 of her daughter's nikah with sultan (3)____Sultan Mohammad called for mercy And Allah accepted. (4)____Because Sultan Mohammad's Mercy was accepted Thus he was survived, And Mohammadi Bagum Did not become widdow. Readers: Wait for the proof of Sultan Mohammad's acceptance of mercy. Just little note: I will write his latter to Hazzrat Mirza sahib. The question that is raised by non ahmadies is why Sultan did not accepted Ahmadiyyat. thae Answer is at the time of this prophecy was given till the end HAzzrat Mirza sahib did not claimed Imam Mehdi Or any claime of Umti NAbi/
A. Waraich <<>>
City of Toronto, - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 23:43:05 (EST) 
Rumy: I witness the Lord of Mohammad peace be upon him I knew you will Jump on this issue. It is your nature. Now I Witness the Lord Of Mohammad, I will answer your aligation word by word. Just wait for six hours more. Let me come back from work.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 21:56:10 (EST) 
Continuation of subject wheather Hazzrat Mirza sahib made controversial statements Or Not. Dear readers, I have proved my point regaurding this issue from Quran in my yersterday's writting. Today I will try to focus my point on what Hadiethes of Prophat Mohammad (saw) says. Just to get a little feed back, What I said earlier that it is not unusual what prophat of Allah says something, But latter Allah revealed him & corrects information and most likely opposit to what have been said by the prophet at first place. I have proved this point by giving refrences from the holly Quran. Now let see what Hadiethes are saying. Prophat Mohammad (saw) said "Do not perfere me over Mosses" (bukhari-fil-khusuus, vol.2 p37) Again Prophet Mohammad (saw) said "One who says I,m being bestow over Yunus bin Mutti, he is lair" (bukhari-kitabulfaseer-surannisa vol.3 p77) Now lets read muslim's Hadieth, says; "Once a man came to holly prophat Mohammad (saw) and he addressed Hazzor (saw) in these word, "O Greatest in all people". Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) replied " That one is Abraham" (Not me, but Hazzrat Abraheeem is THE greatest in all people)(mushkat p417. chap. alfakherah) Now about this HAdieth Hazzrat Mulla Qari writes that the saying of Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) that HAzzrat Abraham is greates in all people is his humbleness. And also he says when Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) said until that time it was not told to him by Allah that he is THE greates in all people. After this Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) himself said that he is "The King of all the people"(muslim refrence mushkatul-mutabeh p511) Then he siad " On the day of Jugement I will be the King of all people" And also said " I am the Imam of all the prophets" Again he says " I am the King of All the prophets" Now you must understand these two statements, one where Hazoor (saw) is not admitting himself as the King of all the people, On other hand he says he IS the King of all peopel. And one muslim scollar admites taht holly prophet said so, because untill that time Allah did not told Holly prophet that is THE King OF ALL THE PEOPLE. (I hope this will also answer to those who blame on Mirza sahib that first he claimed mesih then mehdi, then moud and so on and so far) Now, regaurding this issue lets follow this refrence of (hujjat-ul-baligah, vol.1 p637 & 638 chap.usba-un-nasekh) Hazzrat Shah Walliullah sahib Muhauddus Dehlivi says" There are two methods which use to make the Shria Law. One which Prophet of Allah said, but Allah rejected and gave new Law. Second is one which is opinion of prophat of Allah (saw)in which he believes to be right. But Later he changes himself into other way around. The example of First methos is, Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) ordered muslims to turn their faces to Bait-ul-Muquddus (Yeroshelum). Later Quran (Allah) Cancelled this order of prophet Mohammad (saw) And told him & other muslims to turn their faces to Ka'aba(in Mecca) when they pray. The example of second method is, Once prophet Mohammad (saw) stopped people to cook Nabeez in pots of Bujez Chahgill, But latter he allowed muslims to cook in it. Now by looking these examples we can understand that Law can be change & did change for the TIME BEING. Once Hazzrat Mohammad (saw) said my statements or words cannot change the word of Allah, But Words of Allah can change what I say".( Place of refrence is given above) Now, It is same as I have explained above that one is the opinion or thinking of a prophat, which he thinks for "A" Particular time. But Allah can And does change it. Because he is all knowing. Therefore, it is easy to understand that some times HAzzrat Mirza sahib Did changes what he said earlier, only because under this nature of the Law of God. To prove this particular point Lets read this Hadieth of Muslim. "Prophat Mohammad (saw) used to change his one past statements with another statement"(muslim, vol. al-kitabul tiharat). There is another thing that readers have to keep in mind. When an Alham reveales on any prophet, Prophat takes his meaning Or understands him by comparing the present incident or to his own experience of his knoledge. It is possible, not only possible but it did happens most of the time that prophats of Allah even DO relates Alham with a new incident regaurdless wheather the meaning of Alham already been fit to another past incident. For example it was told to holly prophat Mohammad (saw) taht he will travel to a City where will be a large quantity of Trees of Date. Prophat Mohammad (saw) thought of this Hadieth that he will travel to Ymama or Hijer. But in reality he traveled to MAddina (bukhari vol.4 p143). Now to blame on Hazzrat Mirza sahib that he changes his statements is an absolutely a falls aligation. My writting is continue, in next writting I will prove taht EVEN prophets of Allah do change their dissions.
A. Waraich <<>>
Mega City, - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 21:49:34 (EST) 
"JISS KE JUTE US KE SIR"____________ HIS SHOES AND HIS HEAD ANOTHER STORY OF A LIAR & HYPOCRITE Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani_________ Mirza Kazib Said " THIS SHOULD BE CLEAR TO PEOPLE THAT THERE CAN BE NO BETTER CRITERION OF TESTING OUR TRUTH OR FALSEHOOD THAN OUR PROPHECY" (Izala-e-Auham, p 198) . Now the story of a Prophecy that never fulfilled . Mirza Kazib declared : "…God has asked me that I should seek the hand of the elder daughter (Muhammadi Begum) of this man (Mirza Ahmed Beg) …if he declines to marry her, then the girl would meet an extremely tragic end : The other person to whom she would be married would die within two and a half years after the day of wedding, and so would die the father of the girl within three years…the girl would encounter several events of unpleasant and grievous nature." Despite these divine threats, she got married to SULTAN MUHAMMAD. This was a slap on the face of MIRZA KAZIB'S divine status._______________ Then Mirza Kazib boasted " By way of PROPHECY the Exalted God revealed it to his humble one that ultimately the elder daughter of Mirza Ahmed Beg s/o MG Beg Hoshiarpuri, would be married to me…. The Exalted God would, by all possible means, bring her to me, whether as a virgin or a widow, and would remove all obstacles and will definitely fulfil this task. No one can prevent it," (Aina-e-Kamalat-e - Islam, p288) ___ Then Mirza Kazib announced _____ " The time for the divine punishment is conditionally predestined, which can be put off by fear (of God) and turning (to God), as the whole of Quran testifies. But so far as it relates to THE PROPHECY , that is marriage of that woman to this humble one, that is assuredly predestined, and cannot be waived off, for, in the divine revealation it is clearly stated " MY WORDS WILL NEVER CHANGE." For, if they were to change, the words of God would be false." (Tabligh-e-Risalat, vol 7, p115)________ Years went by this prophecy was becoming an embarrasement for the entire Qadiani clique. Mirza Kazib kept on issuing divine statements for its execution. ____ Mirza insisted__ " I say again and again that the prophecy about son-in-law of Ahmed Beg is assuredly predestined. Wait fir it. IF I AM A LIAR , THIS PROPHECY WILL NOT BE FULLFILLED AND MY DEATH WILL COME" ( Anjam-e-Atham, p 31n)____ He claimed that God has sent this revelation:--------- " AND THEY ASK THEE IF THIS IS TRUE. SAY: YES, BY LORD, IT IS TRUE AND YOU CANNOT PREVENT IT FROM TAKING PLACE. WE HAVE OURSELVES WED THEE TO HER. THERE IS NONE TO CHANGE MY WORDS…" (Asmani Faisla, p 40)___________ AT THE END____ Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani , Died of CHOLERA on 26th May 1908, in the TOILET of Lahore with broken heart. MUHAMMADI BEGUM & Her HUSBAND lived happily & peacefully for the next four decades. ________ So JIS KE JUTE US KE SIR"
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RAHIM YAAR KHAN, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 20:01:04 (EST)